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Volume 04 : Number 219

Monday, December 27 1999

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 02:31:05 -0400
From: nachman levine <nachmanl@juno.com>
Subject:
Reb Nachman and Moreh Nevuchim


David Riceman wrote:
"He [Reb Nachman] also proscribed study of the Moreh Nevuchim.  This
reminds me of something I heard in the name of Rabbi Lichtenstein - that
if the Moreh Nevuchim were suddenly to disappear almost no one would
notice, but if the Ramban on Humash were to disappear the world would
feel desolate"

1) Rabbi Lichtenstein's point is well taken but it should be mentioned
that BH the Moreh is well and not in danger of disappearing (Hayah Lo
Sihiyeh, Chas VeShalom) and if it would, with it would disappear
instantaneously much of Jewish philosophy, Machshavah, Musar, Kabalah,
Chasidus (simple analysis and much anecdotal evidence from chassidishe
maiyseh bichlach attest to this) as well as possibly Halachah (the
Ragatchover comes to mind, not to mention the first ReMa in Shulchan
Aruch). Come to think of it, some of the categories of the Brisker Derech
might be in danger. The world would be extremely desolate.

2) What is the source for R. Nachman proscribing study of the Moreh? (I'm
not disputing it, just curious): It is documented that Reb Nachman was
perhaps the only figure in Chasidus who criticized the Rambam or the
Moreh.

Nachman Levine


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:38:44 -0800
From: "Rabbi Shmuel Jablon" <rabbij@rabbijablon.com>
Subject:
Mazal Tov


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Leah are all, thank G-d, doing well.

May we always share in simchas together!

Rabbi Shmuel and Becky Jablon

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:48:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Sammy Ominsky <sambo@charm.net>
Subject:
Re: Mazal Tov


Rabbi Shmuel Jablon wrote:


> "Hodu LaShem Ki Tov, Ki L'Olam Chasdo!"
> 
> With gratitude to Hashem, we are excited to announce the birth of our =
> daughter, Shirah Emunah Jablon.  She was born at about 2:15 a.m., 18 =
> Tevet, 5760...December 27, 1999.  Imma, Shirah, Abbah, and big sister =
> Leah are all, thank G-d, doing well.



B'Siman Tov!


> 
> May we always share in simchas together!
>

Amen.



---sam


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:25:40 +0200
From: "Shlomo Godick" <shlomog@mehish.co.il>
Subject:
re: Batei dinim


I find this discussion of batei dinim in the U.S. fascinating.  Having
lived in Israel since 1979, I was unaware of these phenomena.

My question is: to what extent do these problems appear in the
batei dinim in Israel?   I never heard that such problems exist
on such a wholesale level, but then again, I have never had any
dealings with batei dinim.   On the other hand, the few dayanim
I have met here have made a very positive impression. 

Is it because the batei dinim are  part of a well-organized,
government-salaried bueaucracy, that fewer problems appear
to exist here?  And, by the way, does anybody know how the 
highly regarded, independent batei dinim in Bnei brak (of Rav
Karelitz and Rav Wausner) are supported financially?
(I assume the courts of the Eida Charedis in Yerushalayim are
supported by the Eida itself through its kashrus organizations.)

I also find it interesting that the majority of government-supported
batei dinim are chareidi in orientation, despite the government
affiliation.  It seems that at one point the chareidi leadership 
decided to coperate with and help man the batei dinim, and
not leave them to be manned exclusively by the Dati Leumi
segment of society -- unlike, say, the moetzot datiot, which 
until recently, were dominated by the Mafdal (this is no
longer the case: Shas is conquering them one by one).
In fact, if I'm not mistaken, even Rav Elyashiv, shlita, was
a dayan on a government-funded rabbinical court.

Kol tuv,
Shlomo Godick 


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:48:57 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
RE: Slap in the Face


On 27 Dec 99, at 16:46, Akiva Atwood wrote:

> > >
> > > Note that you and R' Akiva Atwood are coming at this from 
> > two totally
> > > different sides. That was a response to his perspective, not
> > > yours.
> 
> Just curious -- which two sides?

I think what RYGB was trying to say is that I am approaching this 
from a rationalistic straight halachic angle and you are approaching 
it as more of a hashkafa issue. At least that's how I understood it.

-- Carl


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:48:57 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
Re: Mazal Tov


On 27 Dec 99, at 7:38, Rabbi Shmuel Jablon wrote:

> "Hodu LaShem Ki Tov, Ki L'Olam Chasdo!"
> 
> With gratitude to Hashem, we are excited to announce the birth of our
> daughter, Shirah Emunah Jablon.  She was born at about 2:15 a.m., 18
> Tevet, 5760...December 27, 1999.  Imma, Shirah, Abbah, and big sister
> Leah are all, thank G-d, doing well.

Mazal Tov! May you be zocheh to raise her to (ben) Torah, Chupa 
and Maasim Tovim!

> May we always share in simchas together!

Amen.

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
Fax 972-2-625-0461
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Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:04:19 +0200
From: "Shoshana L. Boublil" <toramada@zahav.net.il>
Subject:
Fw: Eretz Yisrael - the jewish land


A friend posted this on Israelworld. As the source was
public domain I am fwding to Avodah.

I think this will give us some food for thought to those who
think we shouldn't (as orthodox) be concerned with throwing
away the gift of Land that Hashem gave us after close to
2000 years of exile.

This is one of those cases where the extended exile and the
distance from land has caused many of us to loose sight of
what is important:  When studying the issue of Sukkah, we
all know that the actual mitzva is Leishev BaSukkah.  Yet
none of us would dream of not building a Sukkah -- unless,
like many in the Diaspora -- we couldn't.

There are many, many Mitzvot Teluyot Ba'aretz, yet to many
it appears unfortunately obvious that they can go on not
doing the first thing necessary to perform these mitzvot -
i.e. Making Aliyah.  The following article/poem will
illustrate the difference between a nation who loves it's
land and what is happening to the Jewish Nation IMHO.


Shoshana L. Boublil

----- Original Message -----
From: shoshannawalker
To: Israworld
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:45 AM
Subject: [israworld] MUST READ - not from the Israeli press

Translated song

This is a must read that I found on an Israeli web site in
Hebrew. As it contains juicy snippets in Arabic, which are
hard for me to translate into English while maintaining
their "flavor", I hope I'll manage to convey some of this
"flavor" nontheless.

THE MEANING OF HOMELAND
(SHI'UR MOLEDET in Hebrew)


(From a popular Israeli song)
"ONCE, WHEN WE WERE IN SCHOOL,
THERE WAS A PICTURE ON THE WALL,
AND THE FARMER IN IT WAS PLOWING THE SOIL"

And the farmer stops his plowing and looks around him, all
the way to the horizon, and he spreads a white cloth on the
black soil, and he takes out of his pouch some pita bread
and black olives, some olive oil and a slice of cheese, and
he sits down to dine with his young son.

And the farmer tells his son: "Look around you my son, and
see the rich black soil, with the water pools and the herds
of sheep; All this is ours. The Kineret, the Gallilee, Mount
Tabor, the Jermak and Wadi Ara. Once upon a time "Zionist"
Jews used to live here, and they built villages and plowed
the fields and they loved the work of the land and they
flourished the wilderness, and they used to sing "o land of
mine" and they tamed "dunam here and dunam there, one clod
after the other" [snippets from Israeli folk songs].

And the son looks at his father with big black eyes, and
asks: "O father, and what did WE do?"

The farmer grabs a lump of earth in his horny hand and lets
the grains of soil pour slowly from between his fingers:
"We, my dear son, were fighting the Jews because we thought
they came to steal our land. One hundred years we fought
them. But they were plowing the land and were willing to
fight and die for it; And they built villages all over the
land, and also a beautiful country, o my son, a "Zionist
Country"; And they kicked us out of our villages and put
"Zionists" in them; And we could not beat them in war."

"So where did all the Jews go if they were so strong, and
also knew how to fight for the land and die for it?" Asks
the son.

The farmer smiles into his mustache and chases away a
stubborn fly from his eye: "The wind took them, o my son,"
He replies slowly. "They disappeared like the drops of mist
on the leaves. All of a sudden they got fed up with the wars
and they got fed up with the land, and they wanted "peace",
and they did not want to fight for the land anymore; And
they did not want their soldiers to die in war anymore."

"What are you saying, o father!! Only peace with no land?
What will the Jews do only with peace and without land?"

"Well, the devil got into them and now only peace interests
them. And the mothers of their brave soldiers went out to
the streets and started demonstrating and shouting that they
want the soldiers at home and not at war, and that it
doesn't worth it to die for the land. And we, o my son, we
gave the Jews what they asked for - we gave them peace."

"So where did they go, o dear father, if you gave them
peace?"

"We gave them peace and they gave us land, every time just a
little bit; And they were happy and we were happy, inshalla.
And today we have all the land and they have all the peace."

"They gave you all the land, o dear father? They didn't
leave anything for themselves?"

"Almost all of it, my dear son. They still have a little bit
of land on the beach by the sea, but who cares? In a few
years they will give us that as well."

"How did they, o dear father, how did they give up all this
land?"

"At the beginning came the Egyptians, and their chieftain
spoke in the parlament of the Jews; And he was so nice to
the Jews that they gave the Egyptians all the land that they
asked for. Then came the chieftain of the Palestinians and
made an agreement with the Jews, it was called "The Oslo
Agreement", and he gave the Jews peace and they gave him all
the land they had on their mountains. After that came the
Jordanians and they gave the Jews a lot of peace but
received a little bit of land. And then came the Syrians, my
son, and they had a chieftain - what a great man, Allah may
have mercy on him; At the beginning he wanted land without
giving them peace, but the Jews said that without peace
there is no land. But the chieftain of the Syrians was
already old and sick, and he wanted to get all the land
before he went to meet with Allah. So in the end he agreed
to be nice and met with the chieftain of the Jews. And then,
all of a sudden, the Jews started loving the chieftain of
the Syrians just like they loved the chieftains of Egypt and
Jordan, and they gave him all of the golan and received from
him all of the peace."

"And that's it, o father? That's how we received all the
land and gave the Jews all the peace?"

"O no, my dear son, not yet. After that came the Arabs from
the Negev and Wadi Ara and the Gallilee, and they asked for
a little bit of land as well, so that they could have a
Muslim Autonomy just like the Jews had their Jewish State. T
hey went to the United Nations and they found there an old
resolution, which was called "The Pirtition Resolution", and
they said that if the Arabs are giving peace to the Jews
then they deserve to receive land in return. Because when
the United Nations divided the land between the Jews and the
Arabs, at that time the Jews agreed and the Arabs did not
agree and because of that the great war started. But now the
Arabs were ready to share, and the jews already wanted peace
more than they wanted land, so they gave the Arabs all the
land of the Gallilee and the Negev and Wadi Ara and they
received "Shalom Al Israel" [peace on Israel].

"Wow, father, it is very interesting what you are telling.
At school they tell us that the Jews were always bad and
wanted only to kill the Arabs and take their land."

"Once we used to think like that, my dear son, but today we
already know that we were wrong. The Jews wanted our land
only in order to get the peace. They don't even love the
land, and they don't like to plow and seed and reap anymore.
They even forgot who were the "Zionists" who once built
villages and "flourished the wilderness" and fought for the
land and called it: "conquest of the land" [kibush
ha'adama], who used to sing "adama admati".... [my land, my
land]. They don't like "Jewish labor" anymore and not even
"flourishing the wilderness". They stopped calling their
land "homeland" and instead they call it "real-estate". And
the closer the "real-estate" is to the sea, they love it
more because it generates money for them. The Americans gave
them a lot of money so that they give us the land and go
live on the "real-estate" by the sea."

"So when are you going to take me to see the Jews who live
in the "real-estate" on the beach, o dear father?"

"One day I will take you, my son, to see the tall buildings
the Jews have built on the beach by the sea. But now look
around you and see the Hermon and the Kineret and Mount
Tabor and the Jermak, and know that all this is ours because
this is land. And remember that land is the most precious
thing a man can have. More precious than his wife, more
precious than his son, more precious than his life, and more
precious than peace. Land, my son, is as precious as peace
is precious for the jews. And we, my son, how much we fought
against the Jews. One hundred years we fought with them. How
much blood was spilled, Allahu Akbar. And all the time we
didn't know that all they wanted was peace instead of land.
But never mind, today the Jews have peace and we have our
homeland, and everybody is happy."

And the farmer stood up slowly, grabbed the plow with his
horny hands, and continued opening the long furrow in the
black soil while humming to himself "Biladi Biladi....".

After all, somebody "needs to work the land so that it will
give its crops on time" because "the farmer will grow us
bread".


Written by: Nachshon Ben David.


I think the guy deserves a Pulitzer prise at least.

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:13:10 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
Re: MZ and animals


On 26 Dec 99, at 12:42, OOrbach560@aol.com wrote:

> I have heard that there is an increased incidence of homosexuality amongst
> animals in areas where human homosexuals live.  Can anyone find me a source 
> for this. This reminds me of the medrash that states that in Sodom, even the 
> animals
> engaged in homosexuality.   

I don't know of such a medrash, but in a Hilchos Nida shiur that I 
heard yesterday, the magid shiur cited a Gra which says that 
where people are bored because they have no restraints on their 
desires (and therefore become bored with normal outlets of 
expressing them) they turn to MZ, and when they become bored 
with MZ they turn to animals.

Agav last week's discussion, the same Gra also says that there is 
no natural taava for MZ. If I find a mareh makom, I will let you know.

-- Carl


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:13:09 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
Re: Slap in the Face


On 26 Dec 99, at 21:45, Yosef Gavriel and Shoshanah M wrote:

> > Yes,  of course we agree that we should behave with the highest standards
> of
> > derech eretz and ahavas habrios in all these issues. We should also expect
> > the same standards from our Arab cousins if we are truly together in a
> peace
> 
> I am really not concerned with our Arab cousins (that much). I am concerned
> more about our image in the eyes of our Jewish brethren.

Do I understand you to be saying that we should give up land in 
Eretz Yisrael, because the alternative is to look bad in the eyes of 
our non-fruhm brothers? That if we don't give up land, we will violate 
their secular humanist standards of decency and morality, and 
that's a bad thing to do? You want to explain?

-- Carl


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Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:30:37 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
RE: Slap in the Face


On 27 Dec 99, at 9:01, Akiva Atwood wrote:

> > I do not think that is an accurate assessement of RCO's position. See
> > Achiezer 2:16:6. See also the massive collection of poskim in Nishmas
> > Avrohom YD 155 p. 46 and on.
> 
> The author of Nishmas Avrohom writes:
> 
> A patient who is seriously ill and will in all probability die within a
> short period of time may, on expert advice, and with his consent, be given
> an experimental drug or other treatment that offers a chance of cure, even
> if there is also a risk that his life may thereby be further curtailed.

Hashem Yerachem if this describes our current situation.

> > It actually seems to me that lives are being saved now every
> > day: There have
> > been no major terrorist attacks, B"H, for several years, and

There have been more people killed in terror attacks since Oslo 
R"L than there were in the previous twenty years.

> And many *failed* attacks -- one this last week in Netanya, another a few
> weeks ago in Aza, another a few weeks before that when the bomb went off in
> Hebron while they were building it...
> 
> It's not for lack of trying.

In all fairness, there are those who will argue that it's because of 
our alleged cooperation with the PA that the attacks are failing. Of 
course, if we hadn't changed the clocks to make slichos come out 
in standard time, we would have a major catastrophe R"L. IOW, I 
personally don't buy the argument that the PA's "cooperation" has 
lowered the number of terror attacks but others would.

> > soldiers are
> > not getting killed in Yv'S or Azza either.
> 
> there are attacks against the Jews in Yv'S on an almost daily basis. It
> doesn't make the papers because it's not PC.

This is true. Cars get stoned all the time.

> > But, my understanding of RYBS and
> > ylctv"a ROY's position, is that they held that we follow the
> > opinions of the
> > "kefeila arama'a" here, i.e., the generals. So, it seems to
> > me that Barak is probably as big an expert as anyone.
> 
> For every general for, there is one of equal expertise against. That's why
> it's such an uncertainty.

And if it's an uncertainty, then shouldn't the answer be "shev v'al 
taaseh?" I.e. leave things as they are.

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
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Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
Thank you very much.


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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:13:10 +0200
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il>
Subject:
Re: Avodah V4 #214


On 26 Dec 99, at 23:43, Yosef Gavriel and Shoshanah M wrote:

> Sorry, but I cannot understand why carting off the dirt under a mosque
> pertains and impacts so critically on Kedushas Yerushalayim that it is worth
> making  a fuss over it to such an extent. Even if the mosque is on the HhB.

Because it wasn't "just dirt." A bunch of kids from Bar Ilan poring 
through that "dirt" have found pottery shards dating from the time of 
Bayis Rishon. Klei cheres in which kodshim were cooked? At least 
possibly....

> > > I am curious as to how you would like to apply "Lo Techaneim" here. They
> are
> > > choneh already. Can you prove that granting them the inevitable
> statehood
> > > enhances the extant chanayah ba'karka to the extent that it would
> constitute
> > > an additional prohibition?
> >
> > I think the question is how much more land the government will give
> > them before granting them "inevitable statehood." If they were to
> > get statehood based on what they have now, it would not be viable
> > which is the only reason they aren't pushing their self-styled
> > declaration of independence in the first place.
> >
> > If anything, since the State of Israel has no
> > > intention of "transferring" its Arab population, it probably would
> diminish
> > > its "aveirah" of Lo Techaneim" by relinquishing the areas of Arab
> population
> > > so that the State would not be in the position of having Goyim "tachas
> > > yadam" and allowing their continued residence.
> >
> > Yes, except the PA is demanding that we also "transfer" all of the
> > Jews out of any adjacent areas, i.e. turn the land over to them.
> > Additional "lo sechaneim?"
> >
> 
> As far as I understand, the government of the State of Israel has not agreed
> to that demand, at least not vis-a-vis yishuvim it authorized. 

Isn't that what this entire "process" is leading to? Do you think they 
will reach an "arrangement" with Arafat WITHOUT transferring 
yishuvim? (And if they aren't going to reach an arrangement with 
him, then why have we endangered our security by transferring 
what we have already?) And suppose instead the government 
would decide R"L to do what the Rabin government talked about - 
leave the Yishuvim there in the middle of a PA area with no viable 
kiyum, and wait for the people to decide to leave on their own 
(which would have the decided advantage of not having to pay 
compensation). Isn't that the same thing as giving them back? Is 
that any less "lo s'choneim?" 

You have to hear Yossi Sarid on the radio morning after morning to 
realize what stands behind all this. The total lack of any feeling of 
kdusha....

Does the
> government transgress Lo Sechaneim for retreating from yishuvim it did not
> authorize? 

Why is the government's authorization a determining factor? When 
Shevet Dan went out to expand their nachala, did they ask 
anyone's permission before they did it? Did that make that kibbush 
any less than any other kibbush of that time?

If anything, one has far more of a case of Lo Sechaneim in the
> Golan, where the indigenous Arab population is currently slight, actual
> annexation was declared, and the yishuvim were all authorized.

I actually heard the other day that someone (I don't remember who) 
paskened that the Golan is not halachically part of Eretz Yisrael. I 
don't know enough about the geography to comment.

> > Because, at least in the early days, Israel allowed the Arabs to
> > control access to the mosques on the Har HaBayis, but the Arabs
> > did not do anything to change the physical status quo up there.
> > Now, that has changed too. What you do not see is that the goal of
> > the Wakf is to deny any Jewish connection to Har HaBayis and to
> > tell the big lie often enough and loud enough to convince the rest of
> > the world of its validity.
> >
> 
> As long as Hashem sees fit not to reveal to us an unambiguously red red
> heifer, b'avonoseinu ha'rabbim, our connection to the HhB must stop at the
> Kosel.

Of course our physical connection - in the sense of actually being 
able to go up to the Har HaBayis - stops at the Kosel (or at the 
Mugrabi Gate if you want to get technical about it). And I think that 
may be why the Wakf was given control over the Har HaBayis in 
the first place (a mistake in my view BTAT). But just imagine if in 
1967 we had a government with the guts to say that NO ONE will 
be on Har HaBayis until Moshiach comes b'mheyra b'yomeinu. 
Leave everything there, but NO ONE goes up there. Guards posted 
24 hours a day. 

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
Fax 972-2-625-0461
mailto:cmsherer@ssgslaw.co.il
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
Thank you very much.


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