Avodah Mailing List

Volume 03 : Number 168

Tuesday, August 17 1999

< Previous Next >
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:12:30 -0400
From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@juno.com>
Subject:
Teamim--Consecutive Mafsiks


Yes...Moshe and I did have an enjoyable year studying Breuer's book.
It had about 180 paragraphs so we got thru it comfortably (with me
pushing a little bit) in half a year

I hasten to add that the views in Breuer's book all date back to the
Rishonim who worked on it (rishonim most people never heard of
like BEN BILAM etc).

If Eli Clark will look up in this book the phenomena of consecutive
mafsikim is normal with speech (as eli points out) but is a general
phenomena (CF Ester 2:1 or Dt 19:10).

>>Any time two equal Mafsikim occur in a phrase then
>>we divide up the phrase after first mafsik into 2 equal parts

This is the way Breuer (in the name of the rishonim) discusses it.
Even if there were some counterexamples (and counterexamples are
normal when you are discussing meaning) the majority of examples
conforms to the patterns I suggested (If you want loads of examples
you can get Breuers book)

By the way..it is not that generally known...but there is a TEAMIM 
KONKORDANCE...it was a published a few years ago and you can
look up things like this. Also I heard a while back that the next
Bar Ilan CD will have Temaim search capability.

Russell Hendel; Phd ASA; Moderator Rashi Is Simple;
http://www.shamash.org/rashi/


___________________________________________________________________
Get the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:00:22 -0400
From: Russell J Hendel <rjhendel@juno.com>
Subject:
Eclispses


So Rafael Solosnick is not in doubt about WHAT blessing
is made on an eclipse but is asking WHETHER we make a 
blessing.

I haven't heard anything definite but

--the issue of indirect sight comes up with lightning...eg you
are in a house at night and see the REFLECTION of the flash
but not the flash itself...do you make a bracha (I remember this
being discussed but don't remember the psak or reason)

--why should an eclipse be inferior to lightning, earthquakes
and thunder ALL OF WHICH ARE HARMFUL. Afterall it
is clearly harmful to look at bright lightning. It certainly is
harmful to be in an earthquake. I guess the point is these
things "happen to you" instead of your taking a trip to
see them.

Besides the idea of seeing it indirectly (as in seeing lightning
indirectly) I don't see any danger in seeing an eclipse for a
second the same way we look at the sun occasionally (eg
to see if sunrise or sunset has occured or to estimate whether
it is past or before noon).

I think the main health concern is that there is no danger in
continuously seeing the sun but there is a danger in 
continuously seeing an eclipse--but to see it for a second
is not more harmful than seeing the sun for a second.

Russell Hendel; Phd ASA; Moderator Rashi is Simple;
http://www.shamash.org/rashi/


___________________________________________________________________
Get the Internet just the way you want it.
Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month!
Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:11:17 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: Frum but not good or good but not frum..is one better?


In a message dated 8/16/99 11:59:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
hamoreh@netvision.net.il writes:

> An intriguing question which may well have no decisive answer is:  Which is
>  better?  To be a t.s.t. or an r.s.r?  My instincts tell me that neither is
>  preferable, though I lean towards the r.s.r. since the t.s.t. inevitably is
>  mechalel Hashem many times more than the r.s.r is capable of.  In a sense,
>  the t.s.t. is ra to both Heaven and the bri'ot.
>  
See Tiferes Yisroel Ovos 3:10, OTOH he is called Tzadik and his negative is 
only Sheinoi Toiv not that he is Ra, the other way is called Rasha and his 
positive is only Sheinoi Ra (not that he is good as in the title of this 
message).

KVCT

Yitzchok Zirkind

KVCT

Yitzchok Zirkind


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:38:27 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: Melech and Beis Din


In a message dated 8/17/99 1:26:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
micha@aishdas.org writes:

> the nasi speaks about how to do good, and the av beis
>  din speaks of how to maintain the law -- chessed vs. din.

Ayin Sanhedrin 5a "Shevet Myehudah" Sherodin Es Yisroel, but see Rashi that 
is as a function of B"D, and see Tosphos, (Yodua the Issue whether a Melech 
can be Mafkir see Minchas Chinuch 497).

KVCT

Yitzchok Zirkind


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:15:17 +0300
From: Hershel Ginsburg <ginzy@netvision.net.il>
Subject:
Re: Avodah V3 #161:Theories vs. Hypotheses


>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:13:54 -0400
>From: richard_wolpoe@ibi.com
>Subject: Electricity is not esh. Do we alter halakha?
>
snip...
..
..
>According to my theory that Chazal had access to advanced technology but
>lacked
>the terminology to express those concepts to their contemporaries, I would

Hypothesis, not theory... it's only a hypothesis...

K'tivah V'chatimah Tovah, etc. etc.

hg


.............................................................................
                             Hershel Ginsburg, Ph.D.
              Licensed Patent Attorney and Biotechnology Consultant
                          P.O. Box 1058 / Rimon St. 27
                                  Efrat, 90435
                                    Israel
              Phone: 972-2-993-8134        FAX: 972-2-993-8122
                         e-mail: ginzy@netvision.net.il
.............................................................................


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:31 +0200
From: BACKON@vms.huji.ac.il
Subject:
Re: Brushing teeth on shabbat


The Rav z"l indicated that brushing with toothpaste wasn't memarei'ach.
I'd like to list those who do forbid brushing (and/or with toothpaste) and
then suggest a novel chiddush why it still may be permissible.
Those who forbid: Iggrot Moshe Chelek Aleph OH 112 (forbids with toothpaste
but permits with using *dry* toothbrush because if the issur of sechita);
Tzitz Eliezer Chelek Zayin 30 (forbids use of toothpaste); Minchat Yitzchak
Chelek Gimmel 48,50 (forbids toothpaste because of memarei'ach); Ohr Letzion
Chelek Bet 35 # 6 (forbids toothpaste because of memarei'ach).

Thosewho permit (apart from the Rav): Ktzot Hashulchan Chelek Zayin 99 (permits even toothpaste but recommends placing the toothpaste on the teeth with one's
fingers); Yabia Omer Chelek Daled 27-30 (permits even toothpaste but
recommends using mouthwash).

MEDICAL FACT: there have been a plethora of papers in the past 2 years in
cardiology journals (and in some neurology journals as well) that the
predisposing etiological factor in about 40% of cases of coronary artery
disease [and in other neurological disorders as well] is in bacterial infection.A salient paper in 1994 (Scand J Gastroenterology) showed that the major focus
was in the oral cavity (with its over 400 types of bacteria present). A paper
in a periodontology journal showed that very high rate of CAD in patients
with gum disease.

NOVELTY: It is well known that  a MAKEH SHEL CHALLAL (see: Orach Chaim Siman
328) starts with and includes the oral cavity [teeth and gums] and by
definition is explained as an inflammation (DALEKET) or CHABALA [bruise]. For
a makeh shel challal, one is obligated to be mechallel shabbat even for an
issur d'oraita since makeh shel challal is in the category of choleh she'yesh
bo sakana. [even a SAFEK sakanat chaim is defined this way: see: Mishna Brura
328 s"k 17].

WHY TOOTHBRUSHING WITH TOOTHPASTE AND NOT JUST MOUTHWASH: bacteria live in
what's called a biofilm [huge colonies populated by dozens of different types
and species of bacteria]. Mouthwash is totally ineffective in eradicating
oral biofilm. Only toothbrushing with a dentifrice (toothpaste) is effective
in eradicating and disrupting the biofilm with its tunnels and chambers. Not
brushing for one day would drastically multiply the bacteria present on a
logarithmic proportion.

A lot of very frum cardiologists who hadn't brushed their teeth on shabbat
with toothpaste (prior to 1997) are now doing say.

Josh


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:14:01 +0300
From: Hershel Ginsburg <ginzy@netvision.net.il>
Subject:
Re: Avodah V3 #166 Software Piracy


>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Moshe Feldman <moshe_feldman@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Avodah V3 #162: Software Piracy
>
>- --- Hershel Ginsburg <ginzy@netvision.net.il> wrote:

[...snip...]

>> d) Insufficient income or hope of ever attaining a sufficient
>> income
>> potential to be able to afford expensive software.
>
>While your answer is tongue-in-cheek, someone did tell me off-line
>that a certain rav does permit copying casette tapes in a situation
>where the copier would otherwise not buy the tape (because then there
>is no hefsed to the author of the tape).  Any thoughts about this?

[..snip..]

>> f) Dina d'malchuta does not apply to the State of Israel.
>
>There are those who permit a violation of Dina D'malchuta where the
>law is generally not followed by a large percentage of the populace.
>Perhaps in Israel, where software copyright laws are not respected by
>many [most?] Israelis (at least with regard to home software), dina
>d'malchuta may not apply.
>

My answer was less tounge-in-cheek and more cynicism and iconoclasticism...
IMHO, the problem is actually very indicative of some very deep problems
within religious Judaism of all types and stripes.

Rationalizations like your first one, i.e., I wouldn't buy it anyway are
very slippery slope.  It's easy to pursuade yourself and subsequently your
local posek that you wouldn't buy it anyway and therefore legitimize
copying.  Even if one were to accept such a rationalization (and that's
what it is, no more than that) doesn't Lifnim Mishurat Hadin kick in?  What
about V'Halachta B'Drachav?  What about Mar'it Ayin? What about Chilul
Hashem?

There are also a couple of practical consequences of this laxness:

a)  Israel is second only to the US in terms of software development.  By
being lax on dealing with pirated software Israel is shooting itself in the
foot (or, people who live in glass houses...).

b)  Rationalizations spread.  There is a increasingly big problem of
pirated CD's of "Frum" (i.e., "Hassidic") musical CD's which is badly
hurting the singers, producers, and purveyors of legit "frum" music.

And even if you permit it on the grounds of "...everyone else is doing
it..", what about rising up over the common practice and setting an example
of proper behavior?  What about Kiddush Hashem?  If you accept the
principle of "...everyone else is doing it.." for Dina D'malchuta, why not
for kashrut?  Most Jews don't keep kosher or keep a very minimal level of
Kashrut at best, why should we keep every dit and dot, many of which are
minhagim or chumrot?  Most Jews are not machmir on Kitniyot on Pessach
(half, i.e., Sfardim, legitimately) why should the rest us Ashkenazim?

Why is it that we jump to show off chumrot (legit or otherwise) relating to
Bein Adam LaMakom and seek out the most tenuous kulot for bein adam
l'chavero?

A large part of the problem is that in the general public's eye, being
"Frum" is increasingly being associated with financial improprieites, shady
dealings in general, dealing fraudulently with government programs, etc.
etc.  This I believe is an outgrowth of the poor income level or earning
potential of those in the LOBT "Hareidi" world, which in turn is an
outgrowth of the primitive levels of general education (typically a minimal
6th or (at best) 7th grade level) which is simply insufficient in an
incrasingly high-tech based job market.  And perhaps the biggest problem
(at least here in Israel) that in many circles it is a often a point of
pride, **NOT** to go work for a living.

Remember the Gemara in Kiddushin that a parent who fails to teach his child
a viable trade, it's as if he teaches him theivery (Rav Dessler's dictum
that everyone should be a storekeeper nothwithstanding)?

[SIDE NOTE: The well known Israeli singer Yehoram Ga'on has a weekly 2 hour
radio show where he comments on the recent doings in Israeli society.
After the latest "frum" scandal broke (alleged financial irregularities at
Yeshivat ITRI) Ga'on, (who is know to have great respect for Torah
learning, Rabbanim (in general), and have close relations with many Shomrei
Mitzvot despite his labelling himself as "Hiloni"), took great pains to
point out that not all religious Jews are crooks and that once upon a time,
the word of a religious Jew on a business dealing / financial transaction
was better than any contract.  Ga'on said that he himself was pursuaded
once to sign on as a client of some professional service firm simply
because one of the partners walked in to the meeting wearing a kippah.]

Kot Tuv, K'tivah V'Chatimah Tovah etc. etc.

hg

.............................................................................
                             Hershel Ginsburg, Ph.D.
              Licensed Patent Attorney and Biotechnology Consultant
                          P.O. Box 1058 / Rimon St. 27
                                  Efrat, 90435
                                    Israel
              Phone: 972-2-993-8134        FAX: 972-2-993-8122
                         e-mail: ginzy@netvision.net.il
.............................................................................


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:22 +0200
From: BACKON@vms.huji.ac.il
Subject:
Chazal and Science


I was always puzzled by the gemara in Bava Batra 155a: Katan: m'aimatay
mocher nechasav ? There are two opinions: from age 18 or at age 20.
My question was: how is someone who is over the age of 13 (but below 20)
called a KATAN ?

For that matter, why in matters of BI'AH is the lower age limit for a boy 9 ?
Why not 10, 11, or 12 ?

Until I came across some fascinating work carried out in the past 2 years
by J. Giedd and Witelson on what's called *pruning* of neuronal synapse
connections in the brain. The process suddenly starts at age 9 and ends at
age 20. Up to then, the functioning of adolescent's brain is *childish*.
In fact, Choshen Mishpat 235:9 calls this of someone under the age of 20 !
Perhaps that's why one isn't a bar onshin for karet until the age of 20.
Perhaps this also explains SARIS (ben 20 shana shelo heyvi 2 searot); why
Bnei Yisrael were only counted in the Midbar from age 20 (e.g. Shemot 30:14;
38:26; Vayikra 27:13 (on Erechin) and Bamidbar 1:3.

And to imagine that science only *discovered* this in the past 2 years !

Josh


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:27:52 EDT
From: Joelirich@aol.com
Subject:
Re: Frum but not good or good but not frum..is one better?


In a message dated 8/16/99 11:59:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
hamoreh@netvision.net.il writes:

<< 
 An intriguing question which may well have no decisive answer is:  Which is
 better?  To be a t.s.t. or an r.s.r?  My instincts tell me that neither is
 preferable, though I lean towards the r.s.r. since the t.s.t. inevitably is
 mechalel Hashem many times more than the r.s.r is capable of.  In a sense,
 the t.s.t. is ra to both Heaven and the bri'ot.
 
 
 Robert Klein
 Be'er Sheva, Israel >>
R" Lichtenstein as quoted in the Gush VBM mentions (if I recall) as a 
starting point  the Rosh in Peah as stating that Ben Adam Lchaveiro is "more" 
important. I've heard your reason as a basis for this. Note that I believe R' 
Lichtenstein felt that this gemora referred to one who was relatively 
indifferent to ben adam lchavero(ie put all his energies into ben adam 
lmakom) not one who was actively bad in ben adam lchavero(although at some 
point passive is also in this category -eg standing by idly when someone is 
in danger)

KVCT
Joel Rich


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:36:26 +0300
From: "Carl M. Sherer" <csherer@netvision.net.il>
Subject:
Erroneous Psak


Micha Berger writes:

> I stand corrected. It's not the role of one's poseik or rav to be machmir
> when one's development calls for it. That role is more that of rebbe or
> mashgiach ruchani. It should also be made clear that the advice is LIFNIM
> meshuras hadin.
> 
> Unlike other posters, I still think there's a place for this kind of
> advice.

Not too long ago, I heard a Hilchos Nida Shiur from a posek who 
essentially said that if a "fruhm" couple (meaning one that is not a 
couple of recent baalei tshuva) has relations during the shiva 
n'kiyim, that a posek should "throw the book at them" to make 
sure that it doesn't happen again. Meaning, he should "give them 
every chumra in the book." (Lest anyone think otherwise, he said 
worse things about a couple that has relations when the wife is 
menstruating).

IMHO this is a proper role for a posek. It's also why IMHO one is 
required to choose a posek ("aseh l'cha Rav), so that the posek 
gets to know you and your spiritual needs.

IMHO TELLING such a couple that it's a chumra could defeat the 
purpose, because if they know it's not halachically "required" they 
may not keep it, and that would put them back into the same 
position from which they started.

-- Carl


Carl M. Sherer, Adv.
Silber, Schottenfels, Gerber & Sherer
Telephone 972-2-625-7751
Fax 972-2-625-0461
mailto:csherer@netvision.net.il
mailto:sherer@actcom.co.il

Please daven and learn for a Refuah Shleima for my son,
Baruch Yosef ben Adina Batya among the sick of Israel.
Thank you very much.


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:14:01 -0400
From: "Allen Baruch" <Abaruch@SINAI-BALT.COM>
Subject:
RE:MItvos Ma'asiyos of the Season


<<From: micha@aishdas.org (Micha Berger)
<<RYGB recently noted that we (those on the list who contributed to that
<<discussion) appear to have a problem connecting to mitzvos ma'asiyos.

Something that I feel is symptomatic of this "disconnect", is the trend towards purchasing "pre-approved" Esrog/Lulav sets. Yes, there is a l'shem Shomayim, but in my experience the lack of personal involvement definitely takes away from the connection to the mitzva.

kvct

Sender Baruch


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Moshe Feldman <moshe_feldman@yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Kol Kore


--- Alan Cohan <elie@mediaone.net> wrote:
> Moshe, I get the Avodah in Digest form and you mentioned this:
> 
> Quoting:
> I just wanted to point out that Russell's explanation is based on
> R.
> Mordechai Breuer's book on Ta'amei Hamikra (which I studied with
> Russell).
> 
> My question is this the Keter Aram T'sovah by Mordechai Breuer
> (which
> B"H, I recently acquired a copy), or is their another book on
> Ta'amei
> haMikra by Rav. Breuer?

He has a separate book on ta'amei hamikra.

Kol tuv,
Moshe

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:20:00 -0400
From: "Clark, Eli" <clarke@HUGHESHUBBARD.COM>
Subject:
FW: Munkacs


R. Shlomo B Abeles writes:

>Admittedly the Munkatcher Rebbe was known to use very strong language.
>A prominent Rabbi told me that he heard from an older
>Rav - a Talmid of the Munkatcher  - that whenever he 'cursed' - he would
>(in an
>undertone) add ''.. alle sonei yisroel (or goyim) ''

Well, I am in no position to evaluate the reliability of this report.
But I am certain that this piece of information will serve,
retroactively, as a great comfort to all of the tzadikim, talmidei
hakhamim and gedolei Yisrael who were the targets of the Rebbe's "very
strong language" (your words) or vilified as traitors to Hashem
ve-Torato (my words).   Indeed, in the interests of historical
clarification, it seems a shame that these whispered sentiments were not
added in parentheses in the Rebbe's published writings, such as the
teshuvah that has been discussed here on this list.

>A Chassidic historian related that the Munkatcher was once in Poland
>(visiting his
>father-in-law the Komarner Rebbe) when one of his shverr's chassidim
>asked  him:
>"Rebbe, do you curse us?" To which to Munkatcher answered: "Meineh
>Kelolos
>zenen Brochos".

What a shame that the Agudistim and Mizrahistim never asked the Rebbe
the same question.  Then they too would have realized how blessed they
were!

>Lest we may think that the Munkatcher was just your average 'small-time'
>Rebbe  (as
>some recent posts seem to  insinuate), maybe it should be emphasised
>that in
>addition to being a rebbe of tens of thousands of Chassidim, he was Rav
>of a large Kehilla,
>Rosh Yeshiva to hundreds of talmidim and a Mechaber of seforim on
>Halacha,
>Agaddah, Mussar etc. as well as one of the most important leaders of
>Hungarian Orthodox
>Jewry.

Indeed, this should be remembered.  However, for some of us, this merely
increases the incredulity that such an important leader, with
unquestioned accomplishments in Torah, whose example was followed by
countless hasidim, could have spoken so harshly of rabbanim and gedolim
-- both Litvish and Hasidish -- who in the aggregate taught tens of
thousands of talmidim, wrote even more sefarim on Halakha, Aggada,
Mussar, etc. and, for most of kelal Yisrael represented the embodiment
of the shalshelet ha-mesorah.

<inspiring hagiographic tale snipped>

>EVERY ONE of those 'guards' survived the horrors of the holocaust!

With such a ko'ah at his disposal, one can only lament that the Rebbe
was not as generous with his berakhot as he was with his kelalot.  Who
knows how many he might have saved!

<news article regarding Satmarer pilgrimage snipped>

> does anyone know of  similar-sized or indeed
>larger assemblies  anywhere in the Jewish world?

Yes, I do.

Kol tuv,

Eli Clark


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400
From: Sholem Berger <bergez01@med.nyu.edu>
Subject:
Mayim acharonim vs. netilat yadayim


 >As is well known Mayim acharonim takes
>precedence over Netilat yadayim because
 >Health Matters take precedence over
>Ritual matters (a theme which occurs 
>several places in halachah)

Huh?  The opposite is the case:

MB 151:2: veim eyn loy rak kefi shiur mayim akhroynim, heym koydmim afile lemi shenizhor tomid bemayim akhroynim, vehaidna deyn matsuy melakh sdoymis beyneynu eynom khova kol-kakh kemoy mayim rishoynim...

Sholem Berger


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:42:09 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: Ma'aseh B'reishis


In a message dated 8/17/99 0:43:42 AM EST, micha@aishdas.org writes:

> I would say "hesteir davar" implies that a literal rendition is not
>  meaningful. Yes, perhaps it can be partially understood, as per "b'yochid"
>  or the Ramban. However, that's already saying you can't read or even study
>  peshat and get an explanation of how we came to be. The whole topic that
>  the nimshal is placed within is beyond complete comprehension.
>  
As I understand it, we cannot know "how we came to be" meaning Yesh M'ayin is 
not Bcheik Nivra only Bcheik Haborei, but "that we came to be" which says in 
the Torah is understood Kipshutoi, (i.e. Brioh means Yesh Mayin, Oretz means 
earth, Shomayim means heaven, Sheishes Yomim means six days), especially that 
the Torah is Nvuas Moshe Rabbeinu which is Bmareh Vloi Bchidois, (OTOH this 
may be not complete, i.e. what was created earlier), IOW with regards to 
science my approach is that Torah is taken Kipshutoi (as long as there are no 
definate interpertations from Chazal otherwise), and that the sciences have 
yet to find the true model.

KVCT

Yitzchok Zirkind


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Moshe J. Bernstein" <mjbrnstn@ymail.yu.edu>
Subject:
Re: Avodah V3 #167


> 
> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:35:48 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjbaker@panix.com>
> Subject: Re: Repeating for vocalization change
> 
> 
> So I would think and so he thought.  But he thought it did change
> the meaning: dam naki would be "innocent blood", per the Kaplan
> chumash (which has dam, like the Massorah), while dom naki (per
> Onkelos) is rendered by, e.g., Mendelssohn, and New JPS, as "dom
> shel naki" - "blood of an innocent."  Are they both nouns, or is
> one a noun and one an adjective?  That seems to be the difference. 
> Onkelos renders it "dom zacai", while Targum Yerushalmi has "adam
> zacai".
>  
>   Jonathan Baker     |  Mishenichnas Elul marbim becheshbon hanefesh.
>   jjbaker@panix.com  |  Don't know if it's classic like Av, Adar, but is true.


whereas it is possible that there is a difference between "innocent blood"
and "blood of an innocent one" (although note rashi and onqelos on divrei
tzaddiqim in last week's parsha), it is certainly _not_ reflected in
targum onqelos and targum yerushalmi. both are translating "innocent
blood" (i assume that they would write "dam/dema dezakkai [or dezakka'a]"
for "blood of an innocent one.")  the form in yerushalmi is a fairly
standard eretz yisrael aramaic one where aleph is attached at the
beginning of certain words for phonetic considerations: eg., iyda = hand
for yeda, 'iqara = glory for yeqara, etc. it's the same phenomenon as
hebrew ezro'a for zero'a and occurs in yerushalmi aramaic frequently.

moshe bernstein


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Jonathan J. Baker" <jjbaker@panix.com>
Subject:
Zecher/Zeicher & MB


 
I just looked in the MB and found where, on his own authority, not citing 
any sources, the MB says that because of the two opinions on vocalization, 
it is a good idea to be yotze both opinions and repeat it.  that's in 
685 s"k 18.  He doesn't say anything about this idea in, e.g., 142 (re 
correcting oneself for mistakes) which would be a logical place to say 
something.


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:59:33 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: FW: Munkacs


In a message dated 8/17/99 8:20:10 AM EST, clarke@HUGHESHUBBARD.COM writes:

> >EVERY ONE of those 'guards' survived the horrors of the holocaust!
>  
>  With such a ko'ah at his disposal, one can only lament that the Rebbe
>  was not as generous with his berakhot as he was with his kelalot.  Who
>  knows how many he might have saved!
>  
WADR, while a Rebbe has a Koach of Bracha,  we can decide and argue to whom 
and how often he could/should utilise it, at least "I" have no knowledge in 
how this works.

KVCT

Yitzchok Zirkind


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:22:41 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: FW: Munkacs


In a message dated 8/17/99 8:59:57 AM EST, Yzkd@aol.com writes:

> we can decide
should have read can we decide


Go to top.

Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:57:35 EDT
From: Yzkd@aol.com
Subject:
Re: Chazal and Science


In a message dated 8/17/99 3:22:37 AM EST, BACKON@vms.huji.ac.il writes:

> For that matter, why in matters of BI'AH is the lower age limit for a boy 9 
?
>  Why not 10, 11, or 12 ?
>  
>  Until I came across some fascinating work carried out in the past 2 years
>  by J. Giedd and Witelson on what's called *pruning* of neuronal synapse
>  connections in the brain. The process suddenly starts at age 9 

Obviously this is a Dochak when used to explain Roui Lbiah which is different 
for boy and girl, OTOH Oinas Hap'ootos, (which is also a brain function) is 
also (around) 9.

Kol Tuv

Yitzchok Zirkind


Go to top.


*********************


[ Distributed to the Avodah mailing list, digested version.                   ]
[ To post: mail to avodah@aishdas.org                                         ]
[ For back issues: mail "get avodah-digest vXX.nYYY" to majordomo@aishdas.org ]
[ or, the archive can be found at http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/              ]
[ For general requests: mail the word "help" to majordomo@aishdas.org         ]

< Previous Next >