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Volume 41: Number 28

Tue, 04 Apr 2023

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Message: 1
From: David Riceman
Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:49:32 -0400
[Avodah] Yavi es Korbano

Most of you already knew this, but after decades I think I?ve finally figured out what Tzav 7:29 means.
?Hamakriv es zevah shlamav lashem yavi es korbano lashem mizevah shlamav.?  Naively it seems like
a tautology.  The key is that, unlike an olah or a hatas,  for a shamim the whole animal is not the sacrifice.
So whereas for an olah or a hatas you might do the preliminary, semicha or viduy or whatever, after you
 hand the animal to the Cohen you can leave.  But for a shlamim you need to stay for slaughter, collecting
 the blood, flaying and dismembering, then bring the korban (as detailed in the following pasuk) take
the edible meat and leave.  So the pasuk is distinguishing between the animal (zevah shlamav) and
the sacrifice.

David Riceman

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Message: 2
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 15:21:11 +0000
[Avodah] Tefillen on Chol Moed


Full Document<https://moreshesashkenaz.org/mm/publications/LuachMinhagim.pdf>
(22 Elul 5782, pdf)

Page 50

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Please see also


From this site

Rav Moshe concludes that if someone has no minhag, then they should wear
with a Bracha on Chol HaMoed<https://www.halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Chol_HaMoed>
because that was the minhag going back a long time.

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Message: 3
From: Alexander Seinfeld
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2023 01:30:53 +0000
Re: [Avodah] Bracha rishona

From: Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 8,2023 at 05:17 PM

> Joel Rich wrote:
>> If a society always eats dessert as part of a meal, do they make a bracha
>> rishona on the dessert before birchat hamazon?

> You've hit a trigger for me. Because I am still wondering about a more
> fundamental version of the question:

> If a society no longer eat the majority of their food by using flatbread as
> "cutlery", why does HaMotzi cover all the foods in the meal that would
> otherwise have gotten other berakhos?

> The whole concept of meat being "liftan" is not how we eat today.

> We altogether aren't qov'in se'udah the way the gemara assumes. So every
> time questions like this one are raised on list, I need to back up the
> conversation a step ...

Why should liftan mean necessarily eaten in the same bite as the bread? 
it's something you eat along with bread. You think they didn't have 
spoons and only ate their soup by sopping it up with bread? According to 
you, even water wouldn't be covered by Hamotzi. Desserts are different 
not because they're not eating on bread but because at that point in the 
meal most people have ceased to eat bread; ergo, if a sweet mezonos-type 
dish (such as sweet apple kugel) could go either way, depending on when 
it's served, while a pure treat (candy or ice cream) which is never 
served during the main course would never be covered by Hamotzi. (For 
me, sweet kugel is 100% dessert but my family disagree.

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Message: 4
From: Micha Berger
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:45:18 -0400
Re: [Avodah] Bracha rishona

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 01:30:53AM +0000, Alexander Seinfeld wrote:
> Why should liftan mean necessarily eaten in the same bite as the bread? 
> it's something you eat along with bread...

Because I don't think that's the translation. For example, in Hil'
Bishul Akum, "lalefes bo es hapas" shows up -- the same shoresh but as
a verb. (AZ 38a, 59a) It is something you do to the bread.

A lefet is a turnip, and "lelafeis bo es hapas" is often taken to
mean something used as a relish on the bread. See, for example the Kaf
haChaim. Yes, some English translations do say "to accompany the bread",
but I think that's a loose translation, motivated from the conclusion.

An example which links liftan and lalefes, "kedei lelafeis bo es hapas"
for two meals is a unit of measure for eiruvei chatzeiros. (SA OC 386:6)
But only for liftan. Otherwise, the shiur is enough food for two meals.

My question was about how the decision was made that being a flavoring
for the bread wasn't the important feature, that liftan is just one
way the food and the bread are in the same course. On the contrary,
it seems more natural (to me) to have assumed lelafeis bo es hapas to
be a case of eating an ikar and tafeil together.
>                                                                  (For 
> me, sweet kugel is 100% dessert but my family disagree.

Or all those apple "kugels" that are literally apple crumbles...

Tir'u baTov!

Micha Berger                 Man can aspire to spiritual-moral greatness
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   which is seldom fully achieved and easily lost
Author: Widen Your Tent      again. Fulfillment lies not in a final goal,
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF    but in an eternal striving for perfection. -RSRH

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Message: 5
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:02:34 +0000

From today's Hakhel email bulletin

We will need an Eruv Tavshilin this year. By clicking here<https://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001Eq1O7V9oiScTOLrysftQ-abP-sCER_oNek2cEfqxlWyKyxRLTQ8Mw3Q-aorOIN4D4ZaiOi5lqjaxF3g7kdKMTBn98i40WbxKsH_e21lOICLnq2Lwhwfr4AEoVlKcqMfPNX8FWtJl7WrjKOMqvQcLEwmYPuCOqH6eh87r0aZYYmdj8iCM0-FgKiZe8n1N8duSdPh3KIRq4hrhFfRzJkgm_4z4CwZ72mDi_rhOo4HmAcQ=&;c=P-WZmHm-OToP21Y_Y7NClIY5l68K3fuoDpwng_PuEf18-TZyXx9Flg==&ch=i5XLIzd_j4fqhKkSNJdT2gkZ6FPSSKkQQPHT6s2P0EbV9r50Feq_zQ==>,
we provide an Eruv Tavshilin Checklist which was reviewed and approved by
Rabbi Yisroel Belsky, Z?tl.

Number 3 is obviously not applicable to baking Matzah. Of course, one
should consult with his or her own Rav for a final P?sak relating to any
questions or issues he or she may have.

Professor Yitzchok Levine

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