Volume 40: Number 34
Mon, 16 May 2022
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Micha Berger
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 01:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] The Parasha Dual Dichotomy 5782/2022; Which Week
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 06:03:09PM +0000, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
> https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/9851
> The Parasha Dual Dichotomy 5782/2022 Which Week Is Which? by Rabbi Yehuda Spitz
> ohr.edu
...
> ... This puts Eretz Yisrael a Parasha ahead until the rest of the world
> soon 'catches up'...
EY does indeed get ahead, but it is inaccurate to say the rest of the world
"catches up".
Our leining cycle is that of Bavel. Israeli communities had many systems
for dividing the Torah into weekly sedros, most famously a triennial one,
or one that was every 3-1/2 years - finishing on Shemini Atzeres of a
Shemittah Year, and on Shavuos of year 3 of the shemittah.
Because those in chutz laaretz are not "catching up", the geonim didn't make
a rule to pair parshiyos Acharei Mos & Qedoshim or BeHar and BeChuqosai. Rather,
Israel doesn't fall back in line until the rule for Vaschanan and Shabbos
Nachamu forces us to pair Matos-Mas'ei but doesn't apply to EY.
:-)BBii!
-Micha
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Message: 2
From: Zev Sero
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 02:48:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] The Parasha Dual Dichotomy 5782/2022; Which Week
Put another way, rather than us having to "catch up" to EY, which we
could easily have done by combining Acharei and Kedoshim, it is EY which
must "catch down" to us; and they have no opportunity to do so until
Mattos-Mas'ei, which they split.
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Zev Sero Wishing you a healthy season appropriate
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Message: 3
From: Marty Bluke
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 09:43:49 +0300
Subject: Re: [Avodah] When early shabbos is Rosh Chodesh
R? Akiva Milller asked if I have a source that Yaaleh Vyavo is only in the
tefilos of Rosh Chodesh and therefore would not apply to maariv on Friday
afternoon.
RHS says this idea in the name of RYBS in his Sefer Eretz Hatzvi see the
beginning of siman 5 which discusses Hazkaras Mein Hameora.
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Message: 4
From: Zev Sero
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 02:44:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Wedding Attendance During Your Part of Sefira
On 12/5/22 15:43, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> Unless one is from Frankfurt (see MB 493:15, quoting Siddur Derekh
> haChaim) or Vienna (Be'rei Heiteiv 493:3, quoting the Or Zarua), allowing
> a wedding the night of Lag baOmer is recent.
Or unless one is a chassid (unless you're including that in "recent").
Chassidim begin the celebration of Lag Ba'omer from the evening -- and
therefore omit tachanun at the preceding mincha -- because they
emphasize the simcha of Rashbi rather than the cessation of aveilus for
talmidei Rabbi Akiva.
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Zev Sero Wishing you a healthy season appropriate
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Message: 5
From: Akiva Miller
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 06:24:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Wedding Attendance During Your Part of Sefira
.
R' Yitzchok Levine wrote:
> The above says, "those who have a different minhag may certainly
> dance and celebrate together with the chasan and kallah." This
> does not happen if the chason and kallah remain on their sides
> of the mechitzah throughout the entire wedding. Dare one suggest
> that not having the kallah come to the men's side of hall is not
> proper?
Certainly you can dare to suggest such a thing. But I don't think you can
properly reach such a conclusion simply from the source you cited. You are
interpreting the phrase "chasan and kallah" as "both chasan and kallah",
when the author's intention *might* have been "chasan and/or kallah".
The original source that RYL quoted had also said:
> Rav Belsky, zt"l (Shulchan Halevi 13:7) pointed out that one who
> keeps the second half of Sefira should not join in the dancing
> unless the chasan and kallah are present, since the allowance to
> participate is based on bringing joy to the bride and groom.
If you believe that the mitzvah of bringing joy to the bride and groom
applies only when both are together, then go right ahead and dare to
suggest that not having the kallah come to the men's side of the hall is
not proper. But realize that if you are correct, then until the point that
she arrives by the chasan, no one on either side of the mechitza has been
fulfilling this mitzvah.
Akiva Miller
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Message: 6
From: Micha Berger
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 10:01:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Wedding Attendance During Your Part of Sefira
On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:20pm EDT, Zev Sero wrote:
> On 12/5/22 09:31, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
> > There was a time when the Kallah was brought to the men's side of the
> > hall, she sat down next to her Chasan, and men danced in front of them.
> > In many circles this is no longer done today.
>
> In those circles where it is not done today it was never done.
Central to the discussion of when it is permissable to tell a half-truth
or even lie is a famous machloqes between Beis Hillel and Beis Shammai.
Kesuvos 17a:
Keitzad meraqdim lifnei hakallah?
Beis Shammai omerim: Kemos shehi
Beis Hillel omerim: Kalah na'ah vachassudah
Ameru lahen Beis Shammai leVeis Hillel: ... vehaTorah amrah "MiDevar
sheqer tirchaq"?
Seems the men danced before the kallah. Once can not say "in those circles
... it was never done". We all get our mesorah from Beis Hillel, no?
(I get a kick out the fact that Beis Hillel's words became a song lyric
sung at weddings. Are the guests trying to imply they are bending the
On the next day, Fri, May 13, at 2:44am EDT, Zev Sero wrote:
> On 12/5/22 15:43, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
>> Unless one is from Frankfurt (see MB 493:15, quoting Siddur Derekh
>> haChaim) or Vienna (Be'rei Heiteiv 493:3, quoting the Or Zarua), allowing
>> a wedding the night of Lag baOmer is recent.
> Or unless one is a chassid (unless you're including that in "recent").
Yes.
I was trying to say, Sepharadim and Eastern Europeans (the Rama's
"medinos eilu") had a minhag to mourn the night of Lag baOmer. And
Western Ashkenazim (such as the examples of Frankfurt and Vienna) had
the minhag not to, which is apparently of comparable age..
And thus the minhag to make celebrations the night of Lag baOmer for Yom
Simchas Rashbi is for the vast majority of us, a minhag more recent than,
and deviates from, the SA.
:-)BBii!
-Micha
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Micha Berger Today is the 27th day, which is
http://www.aishdas.org/asp 3 weeks and 6 days in/toward the omer.
Author: Widen Your Tent Yesod sheb'Netzach: When does domination or
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF taking control result in relationship?
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Message: 7
From: Zev Sero
Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 08:12:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Wedding Attendance During Your Part of Sefira
On 13/5/22 10:01, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:20pm EDT, Zev Sero wrote:
>> On 12/5/22 09:31, Prof. L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
>>> There was a time when the Kallah was brought to the men's side of the
>>> hall, she sat down next to her Chasan, and men danced in front of them.
>>> In many circles this is no longer done today.
>> In those circles where it is not done today it was never done.
> Seems the men danced before the kallah. Once can not say "in those circles
> ... it was never done". We all get our mesorah from Beis Hillel, no?
Not at all. Where do you get the idea that this took place at anything
analogous to "the men's side of the hall"? In the gemara's time there
was no hall and no "men's side". I don't know exactly where this
dancing took place, but my best guess is that it was at the nisu'in,
what we would call the "chupah", though whether it took place under a
canopy is anyone's guess.
What we would call the "chasunah" seems to have been a youth-only
affair, with no adults invited, including the chosson's parents, let
alone the kallah's. From the gemara in Arvei Pesachim it seems to have
taken place in some sort of tent in the chassan's parents' back yard,
and to have consisted of the chassan's friends, who would stay all week,
and presumably the kallah herself. I don't even know whether she was
allowed to have any friends or relatives to keep her company, or what
she was supposed to do with herself all week. Maybe she could take
refuge in her in-laws' house when it got too much for her? Nor do I
know whether the friends would go home at night and come back, or sleep
there, in which case what privacy arrangements were there for the
newlyweds? It's all very murky to me.
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Zev Sero Wishing you a healthy season appropriate
z...@sero.name to your hemisphere
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