Volume 40: Number 5
Sun, 23 Jan 2022
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Saul Mashbaum
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:45:37 +0200
Subject: Re: [Avodah] The thing with feathers
It is of interest, although almost certainly of no halachic import, that in
modern Hebrew, owf, counterintuitively, is the class of *all* birds (Aves),
and tzipor refers to birds that can fly. For example, in modern
Hebrew, an ostrich
is an owf, but not a tzipor.
Shalom Mashbaum
--
*???? ??????*
*?????? ????*
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20220117/e922ac31/attachment-0001.html>
Go to top.
Message: 2
From: Micha Berger
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 16:49:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [Avodah] The thing with feathers
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 04:45:37PM +0200, Saul Mashbaum via Avodah wrote:
> It is of interest, although almost certainly of no halachic import, that in
> modern Hebrew, owf, counterintuitively, is the class of *all* birds (Aves),
> and tzipor refers to birds that can fly. For example, in modern
> Hebrew, an ostrich
> is an owf, but not a tzipor.
So you're saying that feathered dinosaurs would be ofos.
And what is a mosquito, fly or bat?
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
Go to top.
Message: 3
From: Micha Berger
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 11:27:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Avodah] The thing with feathers
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 04:45:37PM +0200, Saul Mashbaum via Avodah wrote:
>> It is of interest, although almost certainly of no halachic import, that in
>> modern Hebrew, owf, counterintuitively, is the class of *all* birds (Aves),
>> and tzipor refers to birds that can fly. For example, in modern
>> Hebrew, an ostrich
>> is an owf, but not a tzipor.
To which I replied:
> So you're saying that feathered dinosaurs would be ofos.
Meaning that if we managed to hatch a feathered herbivore dinosaur,
where the toes all point forward, the egg has a big end and a little
end... you would consider it likely kosher?
Minus the mesorah. Although... What if you could prove said dinosaur is
the ancestor of known kosher birds? (Likely it would still be ancestor
of non-kosher ones, but the need for a mesorah is whiffy anyway.)
> And what is a mosquito, fly or bat?
RSM wrote me privaely that he believes a tzipor is only an owf that can
fly, not other flying creatures.
Devarim 14:18, within the list of the tziporim that one may not eat,
reads, "vehachasidah eha'anafah leminah; bedukhidas veha'ataleif".
"Ataleif" is generally translated "bat". (JPS, Metzudah, R Charles
Kahane's Torah Yesharah, Bernfeld in German has "Fledermaus", the French
Rabbinic bible 1899 has "chauve-souris", etc...)
Ibn Ezra says the Radaq describes it as a mouse with wings that flies
at night.
The Septuagint has "nukteris", which means noternal. Which fits the
bat, but many other things.
Birkat Asher questions the possibility that it's a "fleder luous"
because it's neither a tzippor nor does it have the four legs of a
"sheretz ha'of" (see Vayiqra 11:20). Recommends seeing Daas Miqra.
But when you look at Daas Miqra (assuming I found the same DM), we
can save RSM's translations.
The DM suggests that an atleif is a bat but not a tzippor or a sheretz
ha'of. Rather, it is tacked on at the end here not as part of the list
of tzipporim but as a non-kosher flying thing AFTER the tzipporim and
before sheretz ha'of.
Kind of like: And these are the treif flying things:
= Of the tzipporim
...
- the chasidah
- the anafah species
- the dukhifas
= The atleif
= Any sheretz ha'of
I find it weird that aleif wouldn't be tacked on to the front of the
next pasuq, with sheretz ha'of. Rather than tacked on to the pasuq that
has the end of the list of tzipporim. Substance of derashah, perhaps.
And one more note about an atleif... According to a beraisa quoted on BQ
16s, a male tzavua after 7 years becomes an atleif. An atleif after 7
years become an arpad, 7 years to a kimosh, to a choach to a sheid.
According to Koren:
tzavua: hyena
atleif: insectivorous bat
arpad: herbivorous bat
kimosh: thistle
choach: briar
sheid: demon
The Maharsha says that it's a bad thing, and therefore descends down the
chain of existence from animal to tzippor to plant before ending up So
the Maharasha would use the word tzippor for an atleif or arpad. Whatever
he thought atleif and arpad are.
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
--
Micha Berger You are where your thoughts are.
http://www.aishdas.org/asp - Ramban, Igeres haQodesh, Ch. 5
Author: Widen Your Tent
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF
Go to top.
Message: 4
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2022 16:02:10 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] Sheva Brochos
From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis
Q. Is there a requirement to arrange Sheva Berachos meals in honor of the Chosson and Kallah every day for the week after they are married?
A. Rav Belsky zt?l (Shulchan HaLevi 27:21) writes that, strictly speaking,
there is no obligation to arrange for Sheva Berachos every day. Still, he
writes that it is incorrect to skip a day, unless there is a need. Rav
Belsky points out that these special days are referred to as Shivas Yemei
Hamishteh (the seven days of feasting). This implies that it is a mitzvah
to honor the Chosson and Kallah with a special meal every day at which
there is an opportunity to bless the new couple. This is the proper way to
inaugurate a Jewish home.
I note that there is no mention of the need to have endless boring speeches at each Sheva Brocha!?
Yitzchok Levine
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20220118/eb4694cf/attachment-0001.html>
Go to top.
Message: 5
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 18:15:16 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] More Common Kiddush Questions
From
https://ohr.edu/this_week/insights_into_halacha/6206
Have you ever wondered why after partaking of Kiddush in shul, many people
nonetheless make Kiddush again at the onset of their Shabbos Day Seudah? If
one already fulfilled their Kiddush obligation in shul, what could the
requirement possibly be for another at home? How many times must Kiddush be
recited? Additionally, if people generally make Kiddush on Mezonos on
Shabbos Day, why don?t we do that on Friday night as well? Interestingly,
the answers to all of these questions are intertwined. But to gain a proper
understanding of the relevant issues, some background is order.
Please see the above URL for much more.
As usual Rabbi Yehudah Spitz deals with this issue as he does with all the issues he writes about - with completeness and clarity.
Yitzchok Levine
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20220120/a8b78b8a/attachment-0001.html>
Go to top.
Message: 6
From: Prof. L. Levine
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 15:43:53 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] Can a woman or child who did not attend the wedding
From today's OU Kosher Halacha Yomis
Q. Can a woman or child who did not attend the wedding serve as the Panim Chadashos for sheva berachos?
A. In a previous Halacha Yomis, it was explained that the Shulchan Aruch
follows the opinion of the Rosh that the simcha of the Chassan and Kallah
is enhanced by the Panim Chadashos, and therefore it is appropriate to
recite Sheva Berachos once again in their presence. It should follow that
since women or even children add to the simcha, they should also serve as
Panim Chadashos. Indeed, that is the position of the Chasam Sofer (Kesubos
7b). However, Pischei Teshuva (EH 62:14) cites earlier sources (Shita
Mikubetzes and Ritva) that only those who count towards the requisite
minyan that is necessary for Sheva Berachos qualify to be Panim Chadashos.
This email fails to take into account that today everyone is expected to wear a mask, so how can one know anything about the faces of who is there? ?
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20220120/068652f9/attachment-0001.html>
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
Avodah mailing list
Avo...@lists.aishdas.org
http://www.aishdas.org/lists/avodah
http://lists.aishdas.org/listinfo.cgi/avodah-aishdas.org
------------------------------
*************************************
Send Avodah mailing list submissions to
avodah@lists.aishdas.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://www.aishdas.org/lists/avodah/avodahareivim-membership-agreement/
You can reach the person managing the list at
avodah-owner@lists.aishdas.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Avodah digest..."
A list of common acronyms is available at
http://www.aishdas.org/lists/avodah/avodah-acronyms
(They are also visible in the web archive copy of each digest.)