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Mon, 17 Aug 2020

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Message: 1
From: Rich, Joel
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 21:37:14 +0000
[Avodah] birchat hanehenin

If one had full intent to be yotzeih with another's birchat hanehenin and then did not eat, is it a bracha l'vatala for him?

Joel Rich

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Message: 2
From: Zev Sero
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 11:07:36 -0400
Re: [Avodah] birchat hanehenin

On 11/8/20 5:37 pm, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> If one had full intent to be yotzeih with another?s birchat hanehenin 
> and then did not eat, is it a bracha l?vatala for him?

I don't see how it can be.  The bracha had effect for the person who 
said it, so it was not wasted.

Zev Sero            Wishing everyone a *healthy* and happy summer
z...@sero.name       Seek Jerusalem's peace; may all who love you prosper

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Message: 3
From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 16:23:55 -0400
Re: [Avodah] birchat hanehenin

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 09:37:14PM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> If one had full intent to be yotzeih with another's birchat hanehenin
> and then did not eat, is it a bracha l'vatala for him?

Berakhah levatalah sounds like a description of the "cheftza" of the
berakhah. Not gavra-specific.

And what would be levatalah, the mevoreikh's kavvanah to be motzi

Safeiq berakhos lehaqeil is sometimes explained as safeiq deOraisa
lechumerah where the deOraisa is sheim Hashem lashav. Along those lines,
one could theorize that as long as the sheim wasn't said lashav, it's
not a berakhah levatalah.

Tir'u baTov!

Micha Berger                 What you get by achieving your goals
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   is not as important as
Author: Widen Your Tent      what you become by achieving your goals.
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF            - Henry David Thoreau

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Message: 4
From: Alexander Seinfeld
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:51:59 -0400
[Avodah] Business with an Akum

One is not permitted to do any kind of business with an Akum
(idol-worshipper) on the day of their festival (nor 3 days prior in the
Land of Israel) - Rambam Hil. Avodah Zara Ch. 9, Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah

Question - Today, if I know a shop owner is a religious Xian, am I allowed
to shop there on Sunday? Or if I know he is a religious Hindu, do I need
to mark my calendar with all of the Hindu festivals and avoid his shop on
those days? What about a traditional Chinese person on Chinese New Year?
Or a Catholic on All Souls Day? If so, is there any halachic literature
that lists all of the dates currently forbidden?

(I?m also not allowed to sell to him on his holidays, and if I do (in
error), I?m not allowed to enjoy the profits of that sale.)

Alexander Seinfeld

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Message: 5
From: Joel Rich
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:47:26 -0400
[Avodah] Birchat hamazon

A group of people are having Shabbos meal together in the dining room. They
all get up to clear the main course dishes and bring them into the kitchen.
The dessert flatware and glasses remain on the table  Must they say birchat
hamazon immediately upon return to the table?
Joel rich

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Message: 6
From: Micha Berger
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:00:38 -0400
[Avodah] Re'eih vs Shema

Because we say the words from Va'eschanan multiple times a day, I have
heard (pun intended, sadly) a lot about shema when it means something
more than the stimulation of neurons in my inner ear. Like the English
word "listen", "shema" connotes paying attention, obeying ("eiqev asher
shamata beQoli"), etc...

So, what do we get from the use of "re'eih", as in the title of this
week's parashah?

In the past couple of days, I cam up with a theory about the difference
between shemi'ah and re'iyah, but want to vet it with the chevrah.

Shema introduces a theological fact we can only accept in the abstract.
We don't even fully understand how One, Indivisible and Unique Hashem is.
We are told to accept ol malkhus Shamayim on this basis, but the fact
itself is one we can apprehend, not experience.

Whereas re'eih introduces the basis of bitachon. It's a way of viewing the
world and framing our experience -- seeing Yad Hashem in events. Quite
different than an abstract truth.

(This seems to be consistent with "ein domeh shemi'ah lere'iyah". "Re'iyah"
is something I can know first-hand.)

Ta chazi in the bavli seems to also fit this pattern:

Berakhos 58a: Rav Sheishes says to a min, "ta chazi" that I am brighter
than you, proceding to show he figured out when the king would come. But
then, the point was made at the beginning ot the story that R Sheishes
was blind, so ht emay have been using the phrase pointed.

Eiruvin 6b: ta chazi that the gates of Neharda'ah couldn't be locked. (And
thus Shemu'el doesn't require they be locked in order to permit carrying.)

Etc... All cases of "go and check for yourself". Nothing at all like "ta
shema", which introduces learning a teaching.

And of course "puq chazi".

But in the Yerushalmi and the Zohar, "ta chazi" is used the way "ta shema"
is in Bavel. So, maybe I am just reading too much into Bavli idiom.

Tir'u baTov!

Micha Berger                 "The worst thing that can happen to a
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   person is to remain asleep and untamed."
Author: Widen Your Tent             - Rabbi Simcha Zissel Ziv, Alter of Kelm
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF


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