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Volume 37: Number 25

Sun, 31 Mar 2019

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Message: 1
From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 03:07:04 -0400
Re: [Avodah] women not doing work on rosh chodesh.

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:58:26AM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
: While the Shulchan Aruch mentions the practice of women not working on
: Rosh Chodesh in OC 417,His wording was of particular interest -- I have
: not found this practice mentioned in the Rambam but was wondering if
: anybody else is aware of him mentioning it.

According to his BY, it's in the Rif and the Rosh.

As for the wording... IIRC, it was an Ashkenazi minhag. Apparently the
SA liked it and wished Sepharadios would adopt it as well. Thus his
"shenohagos lo laasos bo melakhah hu minhag tov". He couldn't actively
require a minhag his target audience didn't accept, so the Mechaver
advertises for it.

Tir'u baTov!

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mi...@aishdas.org        "I want to do it." - is weak. 
http://www.aishdas.org   "I am doing it." - that is the right way.
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Message: 2
From: Micha Berger
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 03:16:48 -0400
Re: [Avodah] irui k'li sheini

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 01:41:14PM -0400, Sholom Simon via Avodah wrote:
: RSZA holds that a k'li shlishi has the same status as irui k'li sheini, and
: therefore one may not put an egg, tea leaves, halei habishul, etc. into it
: as long as it is yad soledes bo. (So, use tea essence to make tea, e.g.)

: RMF holds that a k'li shlishli doesn't cook anything. (You don't need tea
: essence). My understanding is that the Yalkut Yosef also permits
: everything in a k'li shlishi.

"Keli shelishi" is modern coinage, not an actual halachic category.

So the question is whether the list of keli rishon and keli sheini is
because a keli shelishi is too far removed to be worth discussing (RMF,
ROY), or if it is a keli sheini -- all non keli rishon are alike (RSZA).

If we look at irui keli rishon as being an extreme case of keli sheini,
then the MB is taking the latter position as well. Irui keli sheini is
irui into another keli sheini, and therefore it's all keli sheini.

: My question is: where does RMF (and/or ROY) stand on irui k'li sheini?

And if my description of the lomdus is something I remember from a reliable
source (I remember hearing it; can't remember where), they would have to
be meiqil. The MB's chumerah is based on the other sevara.

Tir'u baTov!

Micha Berger             "The most prevalent illness of our generation is
mi...@aishdas.org        excessive anxiety....  Emunah decreases anxiety:
http://www.aishdas.org   'The Almighty is my source of salvation;  I will
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Message: 3
From: Michael Poppers
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 21:59:42 -0400
[Avodah] A Purim Thought From Rav S. schwab

In Avodah V37n21, RDrYL quoted from the Hakhel bulletin:
> remember that 50 Amos high tree-- look up to its top <
What happened to not being able to Halachically 'see' above 20 *amos*?
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