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Fri, 15 Feb 2013

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Message: 1
From: Isaac Balbin <is...@balb.in>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:02:44 +1100
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Tzitzit tucked in


RZS stated in response to RLP

LP: In general, we say one should tuck in their Tzitzit in a cemetery to
not upset the dead, who no longer have the ability to do mitzvot. Would
this also apply at maarat hamachpela?

ZS: In Me`arat Hamachpela does one ever come within four amot of a grave?


On this basis, would we not see all Cohanim with their Tzitzis dangling
out, as opposed to the Amcho who have them in? I (as a Cohen) have never
seen it, and always tuck mine in just before I walk through the entrance of
the Beis HaChaim.

Similarly, a Cohen would technically not need to wash their hands netilas
yodayim as they walked out of a Beis HaChaim, but I see all Cohanim do that
anyway, and I recall Achronim saying that it's better that they do so.

Although one might technically argue that there are loopholes, such as
Daled Amos, I think that the notion of Al Tifrosh Min HaTzibur, and even
more importantly, making  sure that these minhagim are ingrained into every
type of person who comes to a Beis HaChaim, should imply that it is
definitely a proper hanhogo to put your Tzitzis inside. Certainly, the
reasons for putting them out in the first place (as per the Mishna Brura)
don't make too much sense in a Beis HaChaim, but davka taking them out when
you leave a Beis HaChaim is making a statement, and in my opinion, a proper
statement. (I wear my Tzitzis out, as it turns out, in general). Of course
none of this applies to those who never do anyway (eg Sfardim)

PS. For this reason, I was also and remain against the set ups for a Levaya
where the Niftar is in a glass encased "outer" room so that the Cohanim can
sit with everyone else during the Hesped. Even not yet frum Cohanim, should
get used to the notion that they should not approach the Niftar, and having
the Cohanim in a glass encased outer room makes much more sense to me. This
used to be the case in Melbourne, until a recent renovation


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Message: 2
From: Liron Kopinsky <liron.kopinsky@ gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:24:15 +0200
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] Tzitzit tucked in


> On 11/02/2013 9:13 AM, Liron Kopinsky wrote:

>> In general, we say one should tuck in their Tzitzit in a cemetery to not
>> upset the dead, who no longer have the ability to do mitzvot. Would this
>> also apply at maarat hamachpela?

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Zev Sero <z...@sero.name> wrote:
> In Me`arat Hamachpela does one ever come within four amot of a grave?

Where do you see that 4 amot are relevant in a cemetery? My understanding
was that it's 4 amot around the niftar when they are not yet buried, but
otherwise, the entire Beit HaKevarot is their domain.

[For those who can't see the Hebrew, including everyone in the default,
digest, mode, the following is a quote of "Siman 376, se'ifim 2-4" -micha]

"?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?' ???? ?? ?? ??????? ?????, ???? ???? ??? (
???? ??, ?), ??? ?? ??????, ????. ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?' ???? ?? ??
?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??... ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?'
???? ?? ?? ?? ?? ???, ???? ???? ?????, ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????. ??? ??
????, ???? ????: ???? ???..." (???? ??"?, ?????? ?-?).
Kol Tuv,

--
Liron Kopinsky
liron.kopin...@gmail.com


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