Volume 43: Number 27
Sat, 03 May 2025
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Rabbi Meir G. Rabi
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:04:11 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] Ein MeFarsemin HaDavar
Rashi Chulin 12a writes,
Ein MeFarsemin HaDavar
Are we to assume this is not the same as Halachah VeEin Morin Kein?
And what might be the difference?
What are the guidelines that direct us to not publicise such rulings?
Does that apply exclusively to Bein Adam LaMakom
or also to BALeChaveiro?
Best,
Meir G. Rabi
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Message: 2
From: Jay F. Shachter
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 08:55:06 -0500 (EDT)
Subject: [Avodah] Unanswerable Questions
Sometimes, in life, we are faced with unanswerable questions.
I recently experienced this myself, while I was reading Avodah Vol 43
Issue 26, and found myself confronted with the following question:
>
> Comment to blog discussing a girl?s elementary school?s gemara celebration
> two thoughts If it's not a mitzvah for women to learn gemara, why wouldn't
> we say ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?
>
> ?"?: ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???, ?????: ?? ?? ????? ?' ????.
>
> and why (for boys as well) don't we follow ???? ???? ???? ??? ? ???? ??
>
> ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????
> ??????
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Bsorot tovot
>
There are all sorts of glib answers that we are trained to utter, when
we are faced with the unanswerable questions of life -- like "Gam Zu
Ltovah", or "Kal Man D`avid Raxmana Ltav `Avid" -- but even while
uttering them, we feel that they are inadequate. So it is here.
Sometimes, the only answer we can give, is silence.
Jay F. ("Yaakov") Shachter
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no fun at all playing tag with him during recess.
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Message: 3
From: Micha Berger
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:45:30 +0300
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Learning?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 11:12:46AM +0300, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
> Comment to blog discussing a girl?s elementary school?s gemara celebration
And then no one in digest mode could follow his question because the
digest mangles Hebrew.
> two thoughts If it's not a mitzvah for women to learn gemara, why wouldn't
> we say
AZ 19a:
A"R: Ein adam lomeid Torah ela mimaqom shelibo chafeitz
shene'emar: him im beToras H' Cheftzo
> and why (for boys as well) don't we follow
Avos 5:21 [quoting R Yehudah b Teima]:
Hu hayah omeir: Ben 5 lemiqra, ben 10 leMishnah, ben 13 leMitzvos,
ben 15 leTalmud
> Thoughts?
As for the first question... We standardized education. If you're doing
it wholesale rather than retail, you cannot customize the syllabus to
what each student chafeitz / cheftzah.
So the question is how well Montessouri style education or some other
modern system that allows students more autonomy of choice works for
higher-level subjects. And does thew community have the resources?
The other problem is that chanokh lenaar al pi darko tells us to educate
the child based on what's best for that individual chid's long term
observance and Yir'as Hashem. Still requiring individualilzed education
to be fully implemented. But, it is possible that what's best for the
child's Yahadus longterm is not always what that cihld is most interested
in learning.
Along similar lines to your question is someone one of the Avodah chevrah,
someone in chinukh, once quipped:
I don't understand this rush to give HS girls the same curriculum
we give the boys. It's not like we are getting stellar results
from this curriculum with the boys!
As for the second question... I think RYbT's advice is generally taken
as society-sensitive. For example, you didn't quote of ask about getting
married at 18, entering the work force at 20...
Detour: What? You're supposed to get married 2 years before having a job?
At least, that's getting a job is how the Barternua (and Sefaria's
English) take "ben 20 lirdof"...
So I guess the whole nest-egg thing was a mistake?
The only things in that mishnah we do do are those out of our control, like
bar mitzvah or when one is at peek strength, wisdom, etc...
Actually, given pre-1A, many schools do start miqra at 5. And maybe
we start mishnah around 10. Certainly when our boys are far less
developmentally along as a 10 year old boy living in 2nd cent CE
Israel. (Some girsa'os have RYbT as one of the 10 Harugei Malkhus,
so he was a contemporary of R Aqiva and Bar Kokhva.)
And then, if boys are excited by the concept of learning gemara, we are
simply following Rebbe (in the quote in the first question) over RYbT.
Chodesh Tov!
Tir'u baTov!
-Micha
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Message: 4
From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:08:20 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] prayer
What does the fact that eli mistook chana for a shikora (drunk) because she
was
praying with her lips moving but her voice not heard say about how most
people
prayed at that time?
Bsorot Tovot
Joel Rich
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Message: 5
From: Joel Rich
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:06:45 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] Material Ownership
There are certain times when a partnership with a non-Jew affects halacha
(eg
pidyon bchor). Is there a minimum percentage ownership required?
Bsorot Tovot
Joel Rich
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