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Volume 41: Number 88

Sat, 16 Dec 2023

• 1. RaMBaM omits Ness (Rabbi Meir G. Rabi)
• 2. shatz (Joel Rich)
• 3. tzedakah collector (Brent Kaufman)
• 4. milchemet mitzvah (Joel Rich)
• 5. Re: tzedakah collector (Micha Berger)
• 6. Re: Who Can Disagree - Decrees Found in ShA (Micha Berger)
• 7. Re: Chamor defiled Dinah (Micha Berger)

RaMBam omits mentioning the miracle of the oil.

In some versions the RaMBaM uses the word miracle but that is when
describing the purpose of lighting the Menorah, in order to publicise the
miracle but does not even there specify which miracle.

It may well be the military victory a small part of the list, Rabim BeYad
MeAtim,

But I think more likely to refer to the longer list, impure in the hands of
the pure, etc. Which reflects and celebrates the victory, the triumph of
good over evil.
The message to be publicised is that even a small light of truth and
justice will be supported by HKBH and will prevail.
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post  as to why to pick one:
But there are two countervailing concerns:

First, we need someone who can grow up comfortable taking the amud for when
he
is a zaqein veragil [adult and fluent].

Second, we need teens to feel like they belong and are tied into the shul.
Makes sure more of them grow up to be shomerei Torah uMitzvos, anavim, etc?

(I am not sure why you mention Chareidi shuls in particular. Sephardim go
further, and will put a qatan up for Pesuqei deZimra, Qabbalas Shabbos, and
some
eidos ? even Maariv.)

my response:

   1. I mentioned chareidi shuls because in other shuls, in my experience,
   the gabbai picks someone. In a number of chareidi shuls I?ve gone to, it?s
   whomever goes up.
   2.Clearly there are counter-pressures. I suspect it has to do with how
   we view the role of the shatz. I would guess that most defendants in
   capital cases would prefer not to have a trainee representing them.

Bsorot tovot
Joel Rich
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> > > I think that not responding at all,
> as though kavvanah trumps answering him, is inappropriate.
>

Why is it inappropriate? You don't owe him a response, nor is it even
halachically appropriate to respond/react.
Also, if kavana doesn't trump disturbances, why are we davening?

Chaimbaruch Kaufman
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Is the duty to join in a milchemet mitzva limited to those dwelling in
eretz yisrael?
bsorot tovot
joel rich
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 01:58:29AM -0600, Brent Kaufman via Avodah wrote:
>> I think that not responding at all,
>> as though kavvanah trumps answering him, is inappropriate.

> Why is it inappropriate? You don't owe him a response, nor is it even
> halachically appropriate to respond/react.
> Also, if kavana doesn't trump disturbances, why are we davening?

My feeling is that while kavvanah trumps distubances, once you know the
man is trying to raise money from you, you were already disturbed.

Ignoring his plea is not continuing kavvanah, but a conscious decision
about the collector. No less so than any other response.

So, I would see the question as being about which responsoses get your
tefillah back on trck as quickly as possible. And then of them, which
is the least callous to the collector.

And that's how I got to "answering" him by saying a few words loud enough
for him to hear. It is just as fast and as tefillah-related as ignoring
him, but feels less like a snub, and lets him know he may have a chance
if he swings back later.

Have a Great Month,
and a enlightening and enjoyable Chanukah!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 Feeling grateful  to or appreciative of  someone
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   or something in your life actually attracts more
Author: Widen Your Tent      of the things that you appreciate and value into
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2023 at 11:02:25AM +1100, Rabbi Meir G. Rabi via Avodah wrote:
> He brings a wonderful illustration of a decree that stands, permitting that
> which ought to be prohibited, and may not be altered
> even where it is clear that in our changed circumstances Chazal would
> almost certainly have prohibited i.e. NOT applied their decree to permit.
> One need not undress in a public zone in order to remove ones Tzitzis -
> Human Dignity is so great that it eclipses a Torah Prohibition.

Technically, it's eclipsing an asei besheiv ve'al ta'aseh, not a lav.
And an issur derabbanan can trump an asei that way too, like shofar
on Shabbos.

So, maybe no more surprising than kavod haberiyos trumping a derabbanan.


> As for the many additions found in the ShA that are beyond what is found in
> the Gemara
> It must be considered that these are not necessarily binding as Halacha
> even though we describe it as Halacha

Among Ashkenazim, the line is blurry. Which is why we make berakhos on
minhagim -- like on lighting a menorah in shul on Chanukah.

We see minhagim as an implementation of poreitz geder yeshakenu nachash.
To the extent that even "asher qidshanu bemitzvosav" applies to not
violating a minhag.

A lichtikn un freilechn Chanukah!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 What you get by achieving your goals
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   is not as important as
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On Sun, Dec 03, 2023 at 09:39:03AM -0500, Akiva Miller via Avodah wrote:
> appears many times, especially in Sefer Shemos in relation to the keilim of
> the mishkan) means: (A) gold that is ritually pure, either by immersion in
> a mikveh or by never becoming tamei to begin with, or (B) gold that is pure
> in the sense of having no other metals alloyed into it...

R Yehudah (Menachos 29a) says that Shelomo melted the gold and spilled off
the dross so many times, that is took him 1,000 kikarim of initial gold to
get something from which he would make the menorah.

"Zahav tahor" means (b), gold with no other metals alloyed into it.

I have used this idea to explain the Ramchal's and RSRH's description of
taharah. Free will unalloyed by habits of gashmiyus.

A lichtikn un freilechn Chanukah!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger                 Between stimulus & response, there is a space.
http://www.aishdas.org/asp   In that space is our power to choose our
Author: Widen Your Tent      response. In our response lies our growth
- https://amzn.to/2JRxnDF    and our freedom. - Victor Frankl, (MSfM)


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