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Message: 1
From: Rich, Joel
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:53:57 +0000
[Avodah] Asking your questions to one authority

I'm looking for sources concerning a requirement or good advice concerning
asking all your questions to one authority. According to some commentaries
the mishna (actually mentioned twice) in Avot concerning aseih lcha rav
points in this direction as does the gemara in eiruvin on not picking all
the leniencies of both beit hillel and shammai. OTOH the gemara in avodah
zara about not asking 2 rabbis is interpreted as applying only to the
particular question at hand.

From a Brisker theory angle wouldn't the existence of overarching
theoretical constructs argue that all your questions should go to one
authority so as to avoid the possible tartei dsatrei on a meta-theory basis
(i.e. psak in kashrut case a may share a construct with psak in business
case b)?

Joel Rich

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Message: 2
From: Zev Sero
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:36:58 -0400
Re: [Avodah] Asking your questions to one authority

On 06/16/2015 02:53 PM, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
> From a Brisker theory angle wouldn?t the existence of overarching
> theoretical constructs argue that all your questions should go to one
> authority so as to avoid the possible tartei dsatrei on a meta-theory
> basis (i.e. psak in kashrut case a may share a construct with psak in
> business case b)?

Hilchesa keRav be'isurei vechiShmuel bedinei.

Zev Sero               I have a right to stand on my own defence, if you
z...@sero.name          intend to commit felony...if a robber meets me in
                        the street and commands me to surrender my purse,
                        I have a right to kill him without asking questions
                                               -- John Adams

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Message: 3
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 19:30:21 -0400
[Avodah] Why Chassidut

At 02:20 PM 6/16/2015, R. Ben Waxman  wrote:

>  From Rav Yehoshua Shapira (my quick translation)
>The idea that Chassidut?s positive atmosphere isn?t obligatory is a
>serious mistake. Not only is it obligatory, but it brings with it more
>obligations. Without emphasis on the Mitzvot of ahava and yirah, simcha
>and deveikut (which are the soul of the 613 mitzvot) the mitzvot remain
>external actions, technical, something which doesn?t affect or uplift
>the heart and soul.
>Those doreitta mitzvot, which are the pinimiot of all mitzvoth, demand
>from a person and from us to give their entire being when doing a
>mitzvah. . . .. In the performance of mitzvoth, God wants our hearts.
>Therefore, Chassidut definitely demands deep dedication.

The following is from Rav Dr. Y. Breuer's Essay 
"Our Way"  that appears in the collection of Rav 
Breuer's essays titled A Unique Perspective.

One should not confuse Chassidus with the so-called Chassidic
movement that began in Poland in the 18th century. The latter met
the needs of the Jewish masses who lived in terrible misery, and
thus spread rapidly. Tefillah was projected into the foreground,
from which flowed strength and faith in God; dances and songs
induced enthusiasm and joyfulness; the stress on human and hu-
mane qualities increased the self-respect of the impoverished.
Thus, without a doubt, Chassidism saved these Jewish masses.
However, the resulting frequent neglect of Torah study led to
justified protest by Torah giants and caused a regrettable inner rift,
which was subsequently healed when a great Chassidic leader
returned the study of Torah to its rightful central position.

Genuine Chassidic Jewishness strives for Chassidus, which in
itself is a lofty achievement on the ethical ladder which the Yehudi
must attempt to climb. This is demonstrated for us by R. Pinchas
ben Yair (Avodah Zarah 20b): Our highest duty is Torah and its
study; this leads to carefulness which in turn leads to active striving;
to guiltlessness; to purity; to holiness; to modesty; to the fear of
sin; and, finally, to Chassidus. Accordingly, a Chassid is a Jew who
gives himself in limitless love to the Divine Will and its realization,
and to whom the welfare of his fellowmen constitutes the highest
source of satisfaction (see Chorev, Ch. 14). Thus, in the Talmudic era,
the title ?Chassid? was a mark of highest distinction ? and this is
what it should be today.

The so-called Chassid who confines his Avodah to prayer does
not deserve this title, as this ?Avodah of the heart? does not call
him to the Avodah of life where he must practice and apply the
precepts of Chassidus.

He does not deserve this title if he is particular regarding the
kashrus of his food but fails to apply the precepts of conscientiousness
and honesty to his business dealings.
He does not deserve this title if his social life is not permeated
by love and deep interest in the welfare of his fellowmen; if he does
not shun quarreling, envy or even abominable lashon harah; if he does
not earnestly strive to acquire those midos for which Rav Hirsch (in
his Chorev) calls so eloquently.

Certainly the mere exhibition of a certain type of clothing or the
type of beard worn or even the adornment of long sideburns does
not entitle the bearer to the title of honor?Chassid. These may be
marks of distinction ? but they must be earned to be deserved.
Even study of the Zohar does not necessarily signify the attainment
of Chassidus. If this were so, only a few chosen ones would
be eligible.


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Message: 4
From: Simon Montagu
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:03:25 +0300
Re: [Avodah] If and When

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Kenneth Miller via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> Please note: In the excerpt of the Mechilta which the Torah Temimah quotes
> regarding the mizbe'ach, R' Yishmael says that there are 3 cases where "im"
> is not optional, but the other two are not specified. This is very
> different than the Torah Temimah about lending money.
> Torah Temimah Shmos 22:198 does quotes R' Yishmael in the Mechilta, but it
> doesn't mention the word "im" explicitly, nor is there any reference to two
> other cases. He simply asks whether it is a reshus or a chovah to lend
> money, and he answers that the obligation appears in Parshas Re'eh. I find
> it curious that this Mechilta is worded so differently than the previous
> one, but the message is clearly the same.

You see this quite often in the Torah Temima when a derasha says something
about a number of pesukim in parallel. He quotes the same source in each
place, but redacts it so that it appears to be referencing only that
specific verse. An example in last week's parasha is the Yerushalmi that
all 10 commandments are referenced in Kiryat Shma`, quoted on 15:39 and 41
(OK, not such a close parallel because in that case he does make the
cross-reference and quotes the whole passage on Shemot 20:2, but there are
plenty of other examples)

In any case, inside the Mechilta on both verses in Shemot all three "im"s
are listed each time, including bikkurim.

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Message: 5
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 05:14:14 -0400
[Avodah] Talks by Rav Shimon Schwab, ZT"L

See http://torahdownloads.com/shiur-24386.html


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Message: 6
From: Prof. Levine
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:00:53 -0400
[Avodah] Soul Terminology, and Expressions of Love: Proper

Please see http://tinyurl.com/q64ehha



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Message: 7
From: Micha Berger
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:50:14 -0400
[Avodah] Ishbaal's Jar

According to TOI <http://www.timesofisrael.com/inscription-bearing-n
or <http://j.mp/1dMdZVd>, discusses finding a jar that dates to around
1020-980 BCE (Iron Age), breating the name the name of Ishbaal ben Beda.

Ishbaal is Divrei HaYamim's name for the son of Shaul whom seifer
Shemuel calls Ishboshet. (Probably because bearing the name of Baal
is a bushah.)

Allegedly "Among Judeans, personal names evoking Baal fell out of fashion
after the 10th century, but not so among their Israelite cousins to
the north."

Lisa, does any of this relate to strengthening or weakening the case
for revisionist dating?

(Newcomers might wish to see the Jewish Action article Lisa has on her
site at <http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html> to understand
why I asked.)

Tir'u baTov!

Micha Berger             A person must be very patient
mi...@aishdas.org        even with himself.
http://www.aishdas.org         - attributed to R' Nachman of Breslov
Fax: (270) 514-1507

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Message: 8
From: Simon Montagu
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:43:15 +0300
Re: [Avodah] Ishbaal's Jar

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Micha Berger via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

> According to TOI <
> http://www.timesofisrael.com/inscription
> -bearing-name-from-davidic-era-found-at-ancient-site
> >
> or <http://j.mp/1dMdZVd>, discusses finding a jar that dates to around
> 1020-980 BCE (Iron Age), breating the name the name of Ishbaal ben Beda.

See also http://bit.ly/1F2HFD9 (=
for  a more detailed excavation report.
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