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Message: 1
From: Cantor Wolberg <cantorwolb...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:17:20 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Atem Nitzavim Hayom


"You are standing here today..."   You, "aleph, tof" symbolizes from
the first person to the last person, and from the beginning until the  
end.

When you add the mem, you can rearrange the word "atem" to "emes."
"You are standing here today" in truth.
And as long as you are standing in truth, then you are a "people unto  
Him."

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] childbirth as a time of sakana [was: bat mitzva


bayom"]
From: Michael Poppers <MPopp...@kayescholer.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:07:29 -0400
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In Avodah Digest V25#334, RZS wrote:
> But if I can indulge in a wild speculation, perhaps this could explai=
n
why as recently as the early 19th century the poskim seem unanimous tha=
t
a woman *must* bench gomel after birth, and yet I think I've only ever
seen this done once. <
I'm not sure if RZS is referring to the following, but I've done it and=

have literally heard&seen other fathers also doing it: bentching "haGom=
eil"
in shul on the first Shabbos that my wife attended a minyan in Shul aft=
er
giving birth.

Gut Voch/Shavua Tov and all the best from
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Message: 3
From: T6...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:31:40 EDT
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] childbirth as a time of sakana [was: bat mitzva


 
 
In a message dated 9/21/2008, yadmo...@012.net.il writes:

Igros  Moshe (Y.D. 2:74): Concerning inducing premature childbirth.

In my  humble opinion it is prohibited to induce premature childbirth 
because  childbirth in its natural time in the natural way is not 
considered a  danger at all.

>>>>>
Well, I have to assume that this means in the  normal course of events.  Also 
in modern times, maternal death is extremely  rare, so it's not considered a 
danger at all today -- having a baby today  is no more risky than driving a 
car, and maybe less so.  But in the  past many women did die in childbirth or 
shortly thereafter, and that was  /before/ they knew how to induce labor.  I 
remember a history or  English professor of mine who said that if you go to the 
old cemeteries in  England you will find a large number of graves of women who 
died in their  thirties, and then mostly the rest of the women in the cemetery 
died in their  seventies and eighties, like now.  The /average/ lifespan was 
shorter than  today but that is because of high infant death -- and high 
maternal  mortality.  If you got past the danger zone, you could live to be as old 
as  people do today.  (That was true for men, too -- once they got to middle  
age they typically lived as long as men do today.)


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Message: 4
From: Yitzhak Grossman <cele...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:14:46 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] bat mitzva "bo bayom"


On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:59:21 -0400
Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote:

...

> Could yoou spell it out for those of us without ready access to a
> Qoheles Rabba?

http://hebrewbooks.org/14384

Koheles begins on p. 414.

> Micha Berger             Rescue me from the desire to win every

Yitzhak
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Message: 5
From: Daniel Eidensohn <yadmo...@012.net.il>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:28:47 +0300
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] childbirth as a time of sakana [was: bat mitzva


Igros Moshe (Y.D. 2:74): Concerning inducing premature childbirth.

In my humber opinion it is prohibited to induce premature childbirth 
because childbirth in its natural time in the natural way is not 
considered a danger at all. Since G-d created the world to be fruitful 
and multiply, there is no question that he created it that it should be 
for beracha and not for danger. Furthermore He commanded the obligation 
to have children. It is not logical that there would be a command to 
place one's self in danger in order to fulfil the mitzva of having 
children. Especially since women don't even have a mitzva to have 
children that we would say that the Torah is giving them the option of 
placing themselves in danger in order to have children.. We must 
conclude that there is absolutely no danger in childbirth at all. That 
mean that G-d promised that there would never be danger in childbirth. 
This that it happens that women die during childbirth is only because 
they were liable to punishment as is stated in Shabbos (31). "There are 
three sins for which women die during childbirth". According to this 
reasoning it is only when childbirth is in its natural time that there 
is a promise that there is no inherent danger. The punishment that is 
the result of the sin of the Tree of Knowledge is only to have birth 
pains and not death chas v'shalom! However when they want to induce 
premature labor there is no guarantee of safety. Consequently the woman 
is placed in danger by inducing premature labor because without G-d 
promise there is danger. Therefore it is prohibited to induce premature 
labor except when there is danger to wait as we have mentioned.


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Message: 6
From: T6...@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:22:09 EDT
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] bat mitzva "bo bayom"


 
 
From: "Saul Mashbaum" <saul.mashb...@gmail.com>
>>Like  RMB, I question whether indeed one can know what exactly Hashem
decided, or  when. <<
 
 
Saul Mashbaum




>>>>
In certain respects that's true, but in the case of  somebody being born -- 
well it seems to me obvious that if you are in the world,  Hashem must have 
decided that you should be here.
 


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Message: 7
From: "Saul Mashbaum" <saul.mashb...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:01:46 +0300
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] bat mitzva "bo bayom"


RSM

>>Like RMB, I question whether indeed one can know what exactly Hashem
decided, or when. <<


RTK

>>>>
In certain respects that's true, but in the case of somebody being born --
well it seems to me obvious that if you are in the world, Hashem must have
decided that you should be here.
>>

Yes, but the quotation under discussion was "Hashem decided that the world
couldn't go on without you", not quite the same thing as "Hashem decided tht
you should be born".  We can entertain the possibilty that the latter is
true, but not the former, and of course we cannot know one way or the other
if Hashem was motivated by the former.

Saul Mashbaum
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Message: 8
From: Cantor Wolberg <cantorwolb...@cox.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:27:25 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] question of standing for Asseret HaDibrot.


The reason I always thought that you wouldn't stand for the Asseret is  
because the whole Torah is equal.
However, there are those who always stand for the entire Torah  
reading. In that case, there is no question.
It reminds me of the Shema. Halachically, if you are already standing  
then you are not supposed to sit for the Shema,
and conversely, if you are already sitting, you are not supposed to  
stand -- having to do with kavannah, etc.

One of the reasons, I believe, the asseret was taken out of many  
siddurim is for similar reasons.

ri



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Message: 9
From: Gershon Dubin <gershon.du...@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:15:46 -0400
Subject:
[Avodah] Mere'ach mayim yafrichu


I asked about botanical evidence for plants that need "rei'ach mayim" but
not mayim itself, as per the description in Iyov.  See the reference
below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphytes

Excerpt:  "Epiphytic plants use photosynthesis for energy and (where
non-aquatic) obtain moisture from the air or from dampness (rain and
cloud moisture) on the surface of their hosts."

Gershon
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Message: 10
From: "Simon Krysl" <skr...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:08:19 +0200
Subject:
[Avodah] eruv


Dear all,
can you suggest basic literature or other resources (ie. secondary
sources) on the problematic of building eruv reshuyot, on what the
contemporary halakhic judgments are? I have realized I do not have the
knowledge to have an opinion or to fully understand the controversies
that often arise in this context.
I apologize if this is a too basic question.
Sincerely,
Simon Krysl



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Message: 11
From: Zev Sero <z...@sero.name>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:49:09 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] eruv


Simon Krysl wrote:
> Dear all,
> can you suggest basic literature or other resources (ie. secondary
> sources) on the problematic of building eruv reshuyot

Try our own RYGB's book, The Contemporary Eruv.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1419643819/aishdas

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Zev Sero               Something has gone seriously awry with this Court's
z...@sero.name          interpretation of the Constitution.
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Message: 12
From: Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:38:44 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] eruv


On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:49:09PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
: Try our own RYGB's book, The Contemporary Eruv.
: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1419643819/aishdas

<ADVERT> Note that final /aishdas . That's all you need to add for Amazon
to give AishDas a commission on any of your purchases. </ADVERT>

Or the early, much less complete edition at
<http://www.aishdas.org/rygb/eruvp1.htm>. RYGB asks that if you use it
extensively, please buy a copy from HTC. However, I would suggest that
if you like what you see, you would be happier with the full book.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             When memories exceed dreams,
mi...@aishdas.org        The end is near.
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Message: 13
From: Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:11:44 -0400
Subject:
Re: [Avodah] bat mitzva "bo bayom"


On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:01:46AM +0300, Saul Mashbaum wrote:
: Yes, but the quotation under discussion was "Hashem decided that the world
: couldn't go on without you", not quite the same thing as "Hashem decided tht
: you should be born".  We can entertain the possibilty that the latter is
: true, but not the former, and of course we cannot know one way or the other
: if Hashem was motivated by the former.

Thank you, that's what I meant.

I also meant that even if the basic point is correct, it's not when
Hashem decided, but when the universe needed you. Hashem's decisions
are lema'alah min hazeman, He has no when.

Thus, a birthday wouldn't be the celebration of the anniversary of
Hashem's decision, but the anniversary of the universe developing a
you-sized need. Seems like a much odder cause for celebration.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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mi...@aishdas.org        and he wants to sleep well that night too."
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