Comments on: Lists of Middos http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml Keeping values and meaning in focus. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:16:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: micha http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-57787 micha Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-57787 As I said in the post, I got it from R' Dov Katz's Tenu'as haMussar, who credits Meqor Barukh. I took this to imply it was consistent with the Mussarists' oral tradition, but that he didn't find an "insider" putting it in print. Anyway, Neil, I added a link to the <a href="http://www.hebrewbooks.org" rel="nofollow">Hebrewbooks.org</a> copy of the relevant page from <i>Meqor Barukh</i> that some friend of mine pointed me to. Thanks. As I said in the post, I got it from R’ Dov Katz’s Tenu’as haMussar, who credits Meqor Barukh. I took this to imply it was consistent with the Mussarists’ oral tradition, but that he didn’t find an “insider” putting it in print.

Anyway, Neil, I added a link to the Hebrewbooks.org copy of the relevant page from Meqor Barukh that some friend of mine pointed me to.

Thanks.

]]> By: Neil Harris http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-57785 Neil Harris Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-57785 Micha might know, but I can tell you that it's on page 1111 of Mikor Baruch (in the second chelek). Micha might know, but I can tell you that it’s on page 1111 of Mikor Baruch (in the second chelek).

]]> By: micha http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-56717 micha Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-56717 Your point is really more relevant to my post "<a href="http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2009/01/who-is-wealthy.shtml" rel="nofollow">Who is wealthy?</a>". Your point is really more relevant to my post “Who is wealthy?“.

]]> By: Anavah Yisrael http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-56716 Anavah Yisrael Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-56716 Your comment about an ideal person isn't the one with perfect meddos, it's the one who is perfecting them to the best of their ability. It's a refreshing statement for the simple fact that most people only see the ones that appaer to have perfect meddos not the ones who are honestly trying but I suppose in the long run it doesn't really matter what onter people see just as long as you in your souls heart is honestly making rightous effort. Just wanted to thank you for that comment its an uplifting statment with alot of power behind it. Your comment about an ideal person isn’t the one with perfect meddos, it’s the one who is perfecting them to the best of their ability. It’s a refreshing statement for the simple fact that most people only see the ones that appaer to have perfect meddos not the ones who are honestly trying but I suppose in the long run it doesn’t really matter what onter people see just as long as you in your souls heart is honestly making rightous effort. Just wanted to thank you for that comment its an uplifting statment with alot of power behind it.

]]> By: Michael Kramer http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-56708 Michael Kramer Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-56708 Is Rav Yisroel Salanter's list of middos found elsewhere besides the Meqor Barukh? Is Rav Yisroel Salanter’s list of middos found elsewhere besides the Meqor Barukh?

]]> By: micha http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-55194 micha Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-55194 An ADHD person has a problem with a few middos, most notably seder (organization). However, my son Eli, who managed to take out a drumstick and start playing on the desk in the middle of a HS interview, has far better control of his temper than I do, is far less lazy, more readily volunteers to help others (e.g. take out the trash without being asked), etc... We all have our unique challenges. Among them, not letting ourselves use those challenges as an excuse to let oneself off easy. Another recurring theme in my blogging is the notion that we aren't assessed by where we are, but by how we are traveling. The ideal person is one who is climbing upward. After all, Hashem knows what He gave us to work with, what challenges to overcome, and what life situations He set up for us to encounter. The ideal person isn't the one with perfect middos, that is only partially under our control anyway; it is the one who is perfecting them to the best of their ability. Does that address your question? -micha An ADHD person has a problem with a few middos, most notably seder (organization).

However, my son Eli, who managed to take out a drumstick and start playing on the desk in the middle of a HS interview, has far better control of his temper than I do, is far less lazy, more readily volunteers to help others (e.g. take out the trash without being asked), etc… We all have our unique challenges. Among them, not letting ourselves use those challenges as an excuse to let oneself off easy.

Another recurring theme in my blogging is the notion that we aren’t assessed by where we are, but by how we are traveling. The ideal person is one who is climbing upward. After all, Hashem knows what He gave us to work with, what challenges to overcome, and what life situations He set up for us to encounter. The ideal person isn’t the one with perfect middos, that is only partially under our control anyway; it is the one who is perfecting them to the best of their ability.

Does that address your question?
-micha

]]> By: sara http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-55193 sara Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-55193 i would like to ask for a comment on a person with adhd and how bad middot is the problem - anger , disorganization , bad communication - so an adhd person has a much harder time controlling middot and becoming a better person ... i would like to ask for a comment on a person with adhd and how bad middot is the problem – anger , disorganization , bad communication – so an adhd person has a much harder time controlling middot and becoming a better person …

]]> By: S. http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-54960 S. Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-54960 Very interesting. However, I don't think the way Orthodox history portrays Mendelssohn makes this astounding. How did Orthodox history portray Mendelssohn <i>then</i>? In Lita, among non-Chassidim, not so badly in the 1840s. Actually, Lefin was far more radical than Mendelssohn. However, that is a sidetrack from this excellent post. It's nice to see someone take the time to actually compare these side by side. Very interesting.

However, I don’t think the way Orthodox history portrays Mendelssohn makes this astounding. How did Orthodox history portray Mendelssohn then? In Lita, among non-Chassidim, not so badly in the 1840s. Actually, Lefin was far more radical than Mendelssohn.

However, that is a sidetrack from this excellent post. It’s nice to see someone take the time to actually compare these side by side.

]]> By: micha http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-54959 micha Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-54959 You're welcome. I just hope I put in <b>enough</b> time. Nu, if I think of an elaboration or something else I should have said, blog entries are editable... -micha You’re welcome. I just hope I put in enough time. Nu, if I think of an elaboration or something else I should have said, blog entries are editable…

-micha

]]> By: Neil Harris http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2010/03/lists-of-middos.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-54958 Neil Harris Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp/?p=1762#comment-54958 Thanks for taking time to write this up. Thanks for taking time to write this up.

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