Comments on: Divine Timelessness http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2005/01/divine-timelessness.shtml Keeping values and meaning in focus. Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:10:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: micha http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2005/01/divine-timelessness.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-54833 micha Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:27:08 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp2/?p=23#comment-54833 R' Sir Jonathan Sacks makes almost the same point in <a href=http://www.chiefrabbi.org/UploadedFiles/Articals/miketz5770.pdf rel="nofollow">this week's issue of "Covenant and Conversation"</a>.\ However, R' Sacks makes a point I didn't: "Then I shall take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face cannot not be seen." (Exodus 33: 23) Only looking back do we see G-d's providence interwoven with our life, never looking forward ("My face cannot not be seen"). Not just a distinction between free will within time and omniscience beyond it -- even within the human world, we only see the Divine Plan in retrospect, not in the same looking forward with which we make our decisions. -micha R’ Sir Jonathan Sacks makes almost the same point in this week’s issue of “Covenant and Conversation”.\

However, R’ Sacks makes a point I didn’t:

“Then I shall take away My hand, and you will see My back, but My face cannot not be seen.” (Exodus
33: 23)
Only looking back do we see G-d’s providence interwoven with our life, never looking forward (“My face
cannot not be seen”).

Not just a distinction between free will within time and omniscience beyond it — even within the human world, we only see the Divine Plan in retrospect, not in the same looking forward with which we make our decisions.

-micha

]]> By: Aspaqlaria » Blog Archive » Hashem and Logic http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2005/01/divine-timelessness.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-42763 Aspaqlaria » Blog Archive » Hashem and Logic Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:28:57 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp2/?p=23#comment-42763 [...] Divine Timelessness, Jan 14th [...] [...] Divine Timelessness, Jan 14th [...]

]]> By: Aspaqlaria » Blog Archive » Rav Dessler’s Approach to Creation http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2005/01/divine-timelessness.shtml/comment-page-1#comment-1074 Aspaqlaria » Blog Archive » Rav Dessler’s Approach to Creation Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:51:58 +0000 http://www.aishdas.org/asp2/?p=23#comment-1074 [...] 2004 Rav Dessler’s Approach to Creation January 28th, 2005 1:04 am See also Different Approaches to Creation, a survey that just toucheson a variety of opinions, as well as Divine Timelessness.I think that in order to understand Rav Dessler’s position about the nature of time during ma’aseh bereishis one needs to start with MmE vol II pp 150-154, aptly titled “Yemei Bereishis veYemai Olam”. Comments of my own that I feel can’t wait for the end of the maamar are in square brackets.Rav Dessler opens by defining the nature of time-as-we-know-it. In the first two paragraph he establishes the connection between time and free will. The flow of past to future is that of desire to fulfillment.In the section “Havchanas haZeman”, Rav Dessler points out that time passes as a function of the number of experiences we have. When we have more experiences, we have more opportunities for choice, for fulfilling desires. [...] [...] 2004 Rav Dessler’s Approach to Creation January 28th, 2005 1:04 am See also Different Approaches to Creation, a survey that just toucheson a variety of opinions, as well as Divine Timelessness.I think that in order to understand Rav Dessler’s position about the nature of time during ma’aseh bereishis one needs to start with MmE vol II pp 150-154, aptly titled “Yemei Bereishis veYemai Olam”. Comments of my own that I feel can’t wait for the end of the maamar are in square brackets.Rav Dessler opens by defining the nature of time-as-we-know-it. In the first two paragraph he establishes the connection between time and free will. The flow of past to future is that of desire to fulfillment.In the section “Havchanas haZeman”, Rav Dessler points out that time passes as a function of the number of experiences we have. When we have more experiences, we have more opportunities for choice, for fulfilling desires. [...]

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