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Volume 36: Number 127

Sun, 11 Nov 2018

• 1. Re: Reading Newspapers and Other secular Literature on Shabbos (Simon Montagu)
• 2. Re: Reading Newspapers and Other secular Literature on Shabbos (Ben Waxman)
• 3. Re: Reading Newspapers and Other secular Literature on Shabbos (Micha Berger)
• 4. Length, the Aruch haShulchan's shitah (M Cohen)
• 5. Re: Kol Koreh that there is a chiyuv to vaccinate against measles (Zev Sero)
• 6. daven/learn (Rich, Joel)

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 12:36 PM Toby Katz via Avodah <
avo...@lists.aishdas.org> wrote:

>
> Since these journals were published more than a century ago, no one alive
> today has seen these papers except for a few academic researchers with
> access to old library archives.
>


>
> All of us here are busy talking about things we have never seen, like the
> far side of the moon.
>

This is not quite true: together with lots of other Hebrew journals, they
are all available online at
http://web.nli.org.il/sites/JPress/English/Pages/default.aspx

I doubt if that site gets as many hits as the New York Times, so basically
you are right, but at least anyone who cares can judge for themselves what
these newspapers were like
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If no one has seen them, how do you know what was in them? You did a 
research paper?
Ben

On 11/6/2018 5:18 AM, Toby Katz via Avodah wrote:
> Since these journals were published more than a century ago, no one 
> alive today has seen these papers except for a few academic 
> researchers with access to old library archives.? They were weeklies 
> and even though they did carry some news, they were more like today's 
> intellectual journals of opinion, with long articles discussing the 
> issues of the day from a philosophical, hashkafic point of view

On Mon, Nov 05, 2018 at 10:18:40PM -0500, Toby Katz via Avodah wrote:
: From: Micha Berger <mi...@aishdas.org>
:> HaMagid was an shomer Shabbos *Haskalishe* newspaper....

:> Not JO. (Which also isn't reading the news on Shabbos, regardless of
:> whose paper.)

: You are using <<haskalasha>> in a somewhat misleading way. When we
: speak of the Haskalah or of maskilim we are generally speaking of a
: secular intellectual and academic movement and of people who were not
: religious and who were often virulently anti-religious. Wissenschaft des
: Judentums type...

This is revisionist. When Beruriah David's PhD paper talks about the
Maharatz Chajes as a Masekil, she was indeed talking about Wissenschaft
types, but certainly not unobservant, never mind "virulantly
anti-religious".

In any case, the modern parallel to what we're talkiong about is if one
of today's "yeshivish" rashei yeshivah, who happens to also be a Zionist,
read a newspaper -- not a Torah magazine like JO -- put out by a LWMO
"Academic Orthodox" type institution.

: You are also using <<Zionist>> in a somewhat misleading way.? These were
: pre-Herzl days, when something was in the air, some stirring to return to
: Eretz Yisrael, but not the secular or even Mizrachi Zionism we know today.

I think you misunderstand the history. This is Chovevei Tzion, the people
who brought you Achad haAm. These were Orthodox Jews who aligned with
Secular Zionism. The people who founded Petach Tiqva in 1882.

Bilu was also well on its way by the Netzi's hayday. But that has little
to do with haMad.

: The journals the Netziv read were a little on the modern side,
: moderate-charedi, showing an interest in worldly matters, but they were
: definitely Orthodox.

Nope. This is also revisionist. At least "moderate chareidi" is.

: Since these journals were published more than a century ago, no one
: alive today has seen these papers except for a few academic researchers
: with access to old library archives....

Or Google.

http://www.jpress.nli.org.il/Olive/APA/NLI/?action=tab&;tab=browse&pub=MGD&_ga=2.44647777.412515131.1541534577-590544565.1541534577#panel=browse

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

-- 
Micha Berger             You are where your thoughts are.
mi...@aishdas.org                - Ramban, Igeres haQodesh, Ch. 5
http://www.aishdas.org
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> Meaning a AhS tefach is 3.5". ( 1 tefach * 6 tefachim / ammah = 21" = 1
> ammah)
> Compare to RMF (IM OC 1:136) who says that a tefach is 4.54" (9cm) and an
> ammah is 21-1/4" (53.98cm).

You meant to say:
RMF (IM OC 1:136) tefach is 3.54" (9cm) and ammah 21-1/4" (53.98cm).


[Yes, I typoed -- 3 and 4 are adjacent keys. Which is how the error didn't
reach my times-6 result for the ammah. -micha]

On 6/11/18 8:10 am, Moshe Y. Gluck via Avodah wrote:
> It's interesting that R' Moshe Sternbuch's note only speaks about the
> obligation of the father to vaccinate. Chinuch is on the father, if I'm
> not mistaken. But shouldn't vaccination be sort of like m'nias hezek
> and obligatory on both parents?

My guess is that these decisions are usually left to the mother, and the 
anti-vaxx nonsense has spread mostly among women, so he's now telling 
the men that it's their duty to insist on vaccinating the children even 
if their wives are opposed.

-- 
Zev Sero            A prosperous and healthy 5779 to all
z...@sero.name       Seek Jerusalem's peace; may all who love you prosper

I'm told the "minhag haolam" is to get up early to learn and then daven
(even if that is not the first minyan available). Assuming the learning
starts after the earliest time for davening, shouldn't the "minhag" be to
daven first, then learn?
KT
Joel Rich

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