Volume 34: Number 61
Thu, 26 May 2016
Subjects Discussed In This Issue:
Message: 1
From: Zev Sero
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 08:40:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] modim
On 05/24/2016 03:37 AM, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:
>
> What bothers me the most is the sense of priorities. Without putting
> down bending at modim I find it hard to imagine that it is worse than
> murder, chillul shabbat, gilui arayot etc. According to this zohar
> large percentages of the Jewish people will not be resurrected over a
> "minor" halacha.
I don't know how minor this is. Think about it; we're not talking about
someone who never comes to shul, and never hears Modim in the first place.
What kind of person comes to shul, hears Modim and knows what it is, and
yet doesn't bow? Surely once you're there and you hear Modim your back
bows automatically, even if you're in the middle of a heated discussion
of <s>politics</s> <s>real estate</s> er, the Daf. Yes, definitely the
Daf. Even if you're deep in, er, the sugya, so long as you're aware that
the chazan is saying Modim, you bow. The kind of person who comes to shul
and *doesn't* bow at Modim must have some kind of agenda, like the fellow
who says "Modim Modim", or "Al Kan Tzipor...", and thus is a pretty serious
sinner.
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words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even
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Message: 2
From: Eli Turkel
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:46:10 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] modim
<<Surely once you're there and you hear Modim your back
bows automatically, even if you're in the middle of a heated discussion
of <s>politics</s> <s>real estate</s> er, the Daf. >>
The gemara in Baba Kama 16a seems to be talking about bowing at modim in
the shemonei esre and not modim derabban (the gemara is talking about the
spine changing to a snake 7 years after death)
Looking at it again Tosafot (appears on 16b) asks the same question that I
mentioned that all Jews have a share in the world to come. Nevetheless as I
mentioned Kaf HaChaim brings a Zohar that one does lose one share in the
world to come for not bowing at modin.
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Eli Turkel
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Message: 3
From: Zev Sero
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 15:15:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] modim
On 05/24/2016 09:46 AM, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:
>> Surely once you're there and you hear Modim your back
>> bows automatically, even if you're in the middle of a heated discussion
>> of <s>politics</s> <s>real estate</s> er, the Daf.
> The gemara in Baba Kama 16a seems to be talking about bowing at modim
> in the shemonei esre and not modim derabban (the gemara is talking
> about the spine changing to a snake 7 years after death)
Even better. What kind of person davens, and yet davka stays upright at
modim? Only someone who's got a theological issue with bowing to Hashem.
--
Zev Sero Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire
z...@sero.name meaning merely by appending them to the two other
words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even
when we talk it about God. -- C S Lewis
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Message: 4
From: Eli Turkel
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:38:36 +0300
Subject: [Avodah] rights of adopted parents
<<My general take on this topic is that many halakhists bent over backwards
to find solutions to the adoption problems mentioned (e.g. yichud). Perhaps
it was due to the need for orphans to find homes or the human drive for
childless couples to have families(especially when dealing with non-Jewish
adoptions)? I never found much written about the meta issues and wonder
how much the prevailing conditions of the times influenced the decisions. >>
I believe that Chabad is against adopting babies because of the various
halachic problems.
For example, there are debates about yichud and how to call the son to the
Torah
see however http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?t=1628
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Eli Turkel
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Message: 5
From: Zev Sero
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:47:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] rights of adopted parents
On 05/24/2016 03:38 PM, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:
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> I believe that Chabad is against adopting babies because of the various halachic problems.
Not to adopting, but to pretending that the child is not adopted, which was
the fashion in the early and middle 20th century. By the '70s this fad had
mostly passed, and it became accepted that adopted children need to know the
truth from the beginning.
> For example, there are debates about yichud and how to call the son to the Torah
There's not much debate about yichud -- almost everyone says it's forbidden.
Certainly in Chabad there's no debate at all; the Rebbe paskened that it's
forbidden, and that's that.
> see however http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?t=1628
See the last piece, at the end of page 2, by R Eliezerov, which explains
the confusion that some people have.
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Zev Sero Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire
z...@sero.name meaning merely by appending them to the two other
words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even
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Message: 6
From: Lisa Liel
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 00:02:53 +0300
Subject: Re: [Avodah] modim
On 5/24/2016 10:15 PM, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
>
> Even better. What kind of person davens, and yet davka stays upright at
> modim? Only someone who's got a theological issue with bowing to Hashem.
>
Someone with a back problem.
Lisa
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Message: 7
From: Zev Sero
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:05:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] modim
On 05/24/2016 05:02 PM, Lisa Liel wrote:
> On 5/24/2016 10:15 PM, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
>> Even better. What kind of person davens, and yet davka stays upright at
>> modim? Only someone who's got a theological issue with bowing to Hashem.
> Someone with a back problem.
That is clearly not whom the gemara or the zohar means.
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Zev Sero Meaningless combinations of words do not acquire
z...@sero.name meaning merely by appending them to the two other
words `God can'. Nonsense remains nonsense, even
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Message: 8
From: Joshua Waxman
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 03:48:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Avodah] modim
On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:37:23AM +0300, Eli Turkel via Avodah wrote:
>The gemara BK 16a says that one who does not bend in Modim after 7 years
>his spine turns into a snake. Given that spines probably don't last 7 years
>and the cemeteries are not filled with snakes I don't take the gemara
>literally (see however Tosafot ve-hu and kaf hachaim)
>
>I am more disturbed by the claim (Kaf haChaim in the name of the Zohar)
>that one who doesnt ben at modim does not come back in techiyat hametim.
>First the gemara in perek chelek implies that most people return in
>techiyat hametim. Second the popular opinion is that even the wicked spend
>11-12 months in gehinom and then go to gan eden and presumably return in
>techiyat hamettim.
Interesting. Is the Kaf haChaim, and the Zohar, interpreting the gemara in?Bava Kamma 16a?
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=41181&;st=&pgnum=106
https://he.wikisource.org/wiki/%D7%91%D7%91%D7%90_%D7%
A7%D7%9E%D7%90_%D7%98%D7%96_%D7%91
That is, given that techiyat hameitim is from the luz bone, which is
located atthe end of the spinal column, could the gemara be taken,
allegorically, to mean?that those people won't be resurrected?
Kol Tuv,Josh Waxman
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Message: 9
From: Aryeh Frimer
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 10:14:45 +0000
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Does Bat Mitsva girl continue counting during
As you know, the question of whether a Bar Mitsva boy continues
counting Sefira is the topic of much discussion and Bar Mitzva
derashot. Sefardi Poskim tend to assur, Ashkenazi tend to be
lenient. But one of the major arguments in favor of a BAR
mitsva boy continuing to count is that before Bar Mitzvah he
was rabbinically obligated (mi-derabanan) because of Hinnukh.
I was recently asked about what to advise a BAT Mitsva girl who has been
carefully counting every night - under the same conditions. It would seem
that in contradistinction to a minor male, there is no obligation of
hinnukh on minor females to count sefira. Indeed, a parent has no
obligation of hinnukh on mitsvot that will not be obligatory when the child
becomes an adult. Hence, a parent need not train his daughter in mitsvot
aseh she-haZeman gramman. See R. Yehoshua Neuwirth, The Halachoth of
Educating Children, Jerusalem: Feldheim, 1999) Dinim Kelaliyyim, parag. 2,
p. 2; R. Barukh Rakovsky, ha-Katan ve-Hilkhotav, I, ch. 2, no. 7.
So I think that - even according to the lenient Ashkenazic
sources - it would be assur [berakha le-vatala] for a Bat
Mitsva Girl to count with a Berakha after her Bat Mitsva. But
she should definitely continue counting (without a Berakha)
because counting is the ikkar mitsva - not the berakha.
If someone has sources or solid grounds to be meikeil - I'd be happy and thankful to hear them.
Kol Tuv
Aryeh
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Message: 10
From: Lawrence Levine
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 13:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] May a Chassan May a Chassan who is getting married
From OU Kosher Halacha Yomis
Q. May a Chassan who is getting married the night of Lag B?Omer shave
earlier in the day, on the 32nd of the Omer, before shekiah? What is the
halacha concerning relatives and other guests attending the wedding?
A. The prevalent custom is that one may get married on the night of Lag
B?Omer. The halacha in general regarding shaving is to wait until after
sunrise on the morning of Lag B?Omer. Rav Belsky zt?l ruled that the
chassan and the fathers of the chassan and kallah may shave on the 32nd day
of the Omer before shekiah. Other family members and guests should not
shave before shekiah. Rav Belsky zt?l did permit them to bring a shaver to
the wedding and shave there after shekiah. (See ???? ????, Volume One,
pages 109 ? 110)
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Message: 11
From: saul newman
Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 10:24:17 -0700
Subject: [Avodah] expulsions
why could not the Dannites leave the megadef in their midst, what would
have been so terrible? it was brought in the name of the Alter of Kelm that
you see from here how important to remove bad influence from their midst
[and Dan were not considered the cream of the crop]. this may be a source
for those that disagree with the tack that removing students from an
educational mossad should not be done easily , as pikuach nefesh. the
nefesh in question according to the Alter would be the rest of the
institution.....
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Message: 12
From: Lawrence Levine
Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 15:44:51 +0000
Subject: [Avodah] May I listen to slow music during sefiras ha?omer?
OU Kosher Halacha Yomis
Q. May I listen to slow music during sefiras ha?omer?
A. Music should not be listened to during sefira whether it is fast or
slow, even though slow music is less prone to stimulate one to dance. Igros
Moshe (Orach Chaim I:166) questions whether one may listen to music for
enjoyment throughout the year, and concludes that although throughout the
year there are lenient opinions, but during the period of sefira one must
be strict. If one was in a state of moodiness or discontent, Rav Belsky
zt?l was of the opinion that even during sefira he may lift his spirits
with slow music, provided he does not listen excessively. (See ???? ????,
Volume One, p. 106)
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